Do Not Bash Muslims

[Hieronymus]

Those aren't teachings of Islam.

Taqqiya, Kitman and Jihad are though, so maybe you're wrong.

 

[Hieronymus]

Nothing in the Qur'an is overruled. There is not a single abrogation in the Qur'an.

That's not true.

 

[Yytz6]

Interpretations of the Quran vary wildly, from the theocratic to the mystical.

Not those made by learned Muslims.

 

[Yytz6]

That's not true.

Yes it it. Go ahead, show me an abrogation.

 

[Hieronymus]

Not those made by learned Muslims.

They don't agree on everything either though.

 

[Yytz6]

Taqqiya, Kitman and Jihad are though, so maybe you're wrong.

Those are yes. That's why I removed them from the quote. But you don't know their meaning. You can look it up from a real Islamic source if you're interested.

 

[Yytz6]

They don't agree on everything either though.

There are minor disagreements.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yes it it. Go ahead, show me an abrogation.

An example is the verse that says killing a human is like killing the human race, but later it's good to kill Jews and Christians.

 

[Hieronymus]

Those are yes. That's why I removed them from the quote. But you don't know their meaning. You can look it up from a real Islamic source if you're interested.

You assume i got it wrong.
Well, i did my homework.
It's all in the Quran and Hadith.
And what can one expect from a warlord prophet, who is out to conquer the world by the sword?

 

[Yytz6]

An example is the verse that says killing a human is like killing the human race, but later it's good to kill Jews and Christians.

This one?

5:32 "Therefore We ordained for the Children of Israel that he who slays a soul unless it be (in punishment) for murder or for spreading mischief on earth shall be as if he had slain all mankind; and he who saves a life shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And indeed again and again did Our Messengers come to them with clear directives; yet many of them continued to commit excesses on earth."

 

[Yytz6]

You assume i got it wrong.
Well, i did my homework.
It's all in the Quran and Hadith.
And what can one expect from a warlord prophet, who is out to conquer the world by the sword?

I don't assume. I know. You don't know the definition of the words.YYou don't want to know because if you did you would have to admit you were wrong in so many things. And then you'd have to make up your excuses all over again.

 

[Hieronymus]

This one?

5:32 "Therefore We ordained for the Children of Israel that he who slays a soul unless it be (in punishment) for murder or for spreading mischief on earth shall be as if he had slain all mankind; and he who saves a life shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And indeed again and again did Our Messengers come to them with clear directives; yet many of them continued to commit excesses on earth."

I think that's the one, yes.
So how are you going to reconcile later texts of killing Jews and Christians?
They can't be both correct.

 

[Hieronymus]

I don't assume. I know. You don't know the definition of the words.YYou don't want to know because if you did you would have to admit you were wrong in so many things. And then you'd have to make up your excuses all over again.

Yes, well, you have to think that, of course...
But this means our discussion is over.

 

[FireDragon76]

That's not as relevant as you think (i think).
There are rules of engagement with the Quran.
When later passages contradict earlier passages, the earlier passages are overruled.
Islam, according to their scripture, wants to conquer the world by any means available.

By that logic, Christians want to coerce or brainwash everybody into believing in Jesus and the Ten Commandments.

 

[FireDragon76]

There are minor disagreements.

They are at least as significant as the various sects/denominations of Christianity.

 

[Hieronymus]

By that logic, Christians want to coerce or brainwash everybody into believing in Jesus and the Ten Commandments.

That's ridiculous.

 

[Yytz6]

I think that's the one, yes.
So how are you going to reconcile later texts of killing Jews and Christians?
They can't be both correct.

Which verses are those?

Well first of all this one was for the children of Israel. Similar verse, very similar, is found in the Torah.

Secondly the verse says unless it is for punishment.

Thirdly the topic continues as follows to the next verse:

5:33 "Those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and go about the earth spreading mischief -indeed their recompense is that they either be done to death, or be crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off from the opposite sides or be banished from the land. Such shall be their degradation in this world; and a mighty chastisement lies in store for them in the World to Come."

 

[Yytz6]

They are at least as significant as the various sects/denominations of Christianity.

No. They're less significant. Much less.

 

[Yytz6]

 

[JosephZ]

One of the greatest misunderstanding in discussing the issue of Islamic-based terror, evil and violent acts, is barking up the wrong tree, fire fighting and missing the critical root cause, thus allowing the problem to fester and grow.

This thread has the same exact title and the same exact content that this one does: Islam - Do Not Bash Muslims

That one was shut down for good reason, what's the point in starting another?

99% of the 1.6 billion of Muslims at present will not likely agree that the ideology of Islam contain evil and violent elements.

Since greater than 99% of the world's Muslims aren't participating in violent jihad, shouldn't that tell you something? Even if you are correct with your interpretation of Islam, why would you ever want to convince the 99% of Muslims who are not violent that they are wrong for practicing their religion peacefully?

Why are you so adamant about Islam and so determined to convince people, both Muslims and non-Muslims alike, that the Islamic extremists and terrorists are teaching true Islam? Why do legitimize the teachings of extremists and push the extremist narrative on non-Muslims and the more 90% of Muslims who reject this teaching? What is motivating you to push a such a violent and distorted interpretation of Islam and what exactly are you hoping to accomplish?