Do Mormons go to Hell?

[MormonFriend]

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Genesis3:22)

Not as Us, all powerful, all knowing, equal, but to know good and evil. There is a qualifier in that statement.

This subject and perspective is being repeated. Der Alter made the same point.

What you are forgetting, or are unaware of, is that becoming like God is part of a long process, which includes separating the wheat from tares.

This is what I replied to DerAlter:

"So in a series of progression by Divine design and foreknowledge, man was created in His image and likeness. (Did God "... very narrowly (limit) that similarity ..." in this aspect of our being?) Then man obtained a knowledge of good and evil. Now what is lacking is, as you pointed out, is imortality and power.

If man had partaken the fruit of the tree of life, the plan would have been void. Adam would have lived forever in his sins. So, again as was planned from the beginning, a space of time was granted for man to repent, and at the same time learn how to properly use this newly aquired knowledge of good and evil, and balance that knowledge in righteousness with free will.
A Saviour was provided to bring man back into God's presence, if man chooses to repent, and use his knowledge as God does. Immortality is obtainable because of Jesus Christ.
So that leaves power. That is one of the mysteries of Godliness, but I deeply sense a relationship of His Priesthood, when given to man, as a training course."

 

[MormonFriend]

Mormons don't drink beer or coffee. To suggest either option was making fun of mormons....at least that's how it came off.

Thank you for your considerate nature. That is an attribute of a true Christian.

 

[Invader Pichu]

Thank you for your considerate nature. That is an attribute of a true Christian.

Agreed.

 

[Der Alte]

I had no intention of ommiting (or ignoring) the word "as."
"As" can mean equal to. But I would never consider myself equal to God.

My post did not rely solely on the word "as" but also on the limiting to only one characteristic of God, i.e. knowing good and evil. Also if man could become gods simply by eating forbidden fruit then that contradicts LDS who must go through stages of un–Biblical progressions.

So in a series of progression by Divine design and foreknowledge, man was created in His image and likeness. (Did God "... very narrowly (limit) that similarity ..." in this aspect of our being?) Then man obtained a knowledge of good and evil. Now what is lacking is, as you pointed out, is imortality and power.

What you are forgetting, or are unaware of, is that becoming like God is part of a long process, which includes separating the wheat from tares.

Can you show me this anywhere in scripture, and by scripture I mean only the O.T. and the N.T., not any books concocted by Joseph Smith. I happen to believe that God is omnipotent. God in the O.T. said, “My word that goes forth from my mouth will not return to me void, it will accomplish the purpose where I have sent it.” Jesus, in the N.T., said, “Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.” And in both cases, that is exactly what happened.

God's word and God's church was not lost for almost 2000 years! God did not allow hundreds of generations, of His children, to perish without His word.

 

[Toms777]

Mormons don't drink beer or coffee. To suggest either option was making fun of mormons....at least that's how it came off.

Ever heard of a "joke"?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Quote:
Originally Posted by: InnerPhyre




Mormons don't drink beer or coffee. To suggest either option was making fun of mormons....at least that's how it came off.

Ever heard of a "joke"?

Joking about Coffee and beer is not funny and should be considered sacred...er a...secret.

Grace

 

[Toms777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by: InnerPhyre




Mormons don't drink beer or coffee. To suggest either option was making fun of mormons....at least that's how it came off.

Ever heard of a "joke"?

Joking about Coffee and beer is not funny and should be considered sacred...er a...secret.

Grace

We will have to agree to disagree on this [poinjt. Our friend went backl 20 pages to take a quote out of context. mormonfriend started it by saying:

"I'll drink to that!" (A phrase commonly used in conjunction with alcohol consumption)

And I responded by saying:

"What'll you have - coffee or a beer? (grin)?"

Methinks Innerphyre needs to lighten up. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate................

 

[Crickets]

Quote:
Originally Posted by: InnerPhyre




Mormons don't drink beer or coffee. To suggest either option was making fun of mormons....at least that's how it came off.

Ever heard of a "joke"?

Joking about Coffee and beer is not funny and should be considered sacred...er a...secret.

Grace

I believe that if you search this forum carefully enough you will find persons making fun of LDS precepts far more sacred than their choice of beverages. BTW, I happen to agree with the LDS regarding the WOW and the Law of Chastity.

 

[Wrigley]

I believe that is Biblical.

Oh, you are so wrong.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I believe that if you search this forum carefully enough you will find persons making fun of LDS precepts far more sacred than their choice of beverages. BTW, I happen to agree with the LDS regarding the WOW and the Law of Chastity.

I agree with the law of chastity...I think most Christians do, however, the WofW is another story all together. Ok, time for my morning coffee

God Bless-
Grace

 

[happyinhisgrace]

We will have to agree to disagree on this [poinjt. Our friend went backl 20 pages to take a quote out of context. mormonfriend started it by saying:

"I'll drink to that!" (A phrase commonly used in conjunction with alcohol consumption)

And I responded by saying:

"What'll you have - coffee or a beer? (grin)?"

Methinks Innerphyre needs to lighten up. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate................

I would agree with that last statement.

God Bless-
Grace

 

[MormonFriend]

We will have to agree to disagree on this [poinjt. Our friend went backl 20 pages to take a quote out of context. mormonfriend started it by saying:

"I'll drink to that!" (A phrase commonly used in conjunction with alcohol consumption)

And I responded by saying:

"What'll you have - coffee or a beer? (grin)?"

Methinks Innerphyre needs to lighten up. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate................

I never saw this response you made. It appears that you replied in the spirit of humor that I intentionally left myself open for.

But given the spirit and purpose that Innerphyre responded doesn't warrant that little rebuke. Perhaps an explanation and a thank you for doing what he viewed as correct, because his action was influenced by integrity, despite the misconception. Then, I would bet, a small miracle would happen. He would have apologized and everyone would be happy friends!

 

[MormonFriend]

Wow, so you are saying that all those who left the LDS church to follow the God of the Bible, were doing this out of pride and a self-serving nature?

It is disheartening when people put words in your mouth.

Interesting...especially considering that some of the most active, strongest believing lds I know are also some of the most prideful people I have ever known, I wonder why they are still LDS and havn't left the church.

They can be most active, and appear as strongest believing, and still be blinded. I see it all the time. That was the gist of my post, that all sin blinds us as the scriptures testify.

Also, everyone on this planet has character flaws, everyone.

The LDS people have just as many character flaws as anyone else and yet they are still LDS. Does this mean that because of their character flaws, they will one day leave the lds church?

Of course we all have flaws. The best place in the world to identify and correct them is at Church and studying the gospel. If they properly live the Gospel, their flaws will gradually diminish. If they have harden hearts and refuse the refining influence that the Gospel applies to everybody, they will probably leave. If we will not receive correction here in this life, do you suppose we will in the next? Heaven is a perfect place. Our flaws will not co-exist there. Therefore, the Lord separates the wheat from the chaff.

The LDS leaders are not prophets so no, they are not under God's direction. The LDS prophets do not meet God's standard for one being a prophet, so therefore they can not be such.

You are entitled to your opinion.

To say that the LDS church does not compel it's members is not only an innacurate statement but such a falsehood that I can not believe you would even make such a statement. Even when I was active lds, I knew we were "compelled" to follow the rules of the church.

Compel

1. To force, drive, or constrain: Duty compelled the soldiers to volunteer for the mission.
2. To necessitate or pressure by force; exact: An energy crisis compels fuel conservation. See Synonyms at force.
3. To exert a strong, irresistible force on; sway: “The land, in a certain, very real way, compels the minds of the people.

Since you left the Church, obviously nobody forced you to stay. In the context you are probably referring, God’s word in the scriptures compels us to do His will. Satan through temptation compels us to sin. But because of agency we are not forced by any power or influence, other than our own character and how it responds to free will. It is under this balance of compulsion that the true colors of our character surface. Many people hide their true nature, but eventually it will surface.

The unity that the Christian community strives for, is unity in love of Jesus.

I would never doubt that.

The LDS church does not have this kind of unity either but the Christian community is closer than the lds church in the respect that they are worshiping the true God of the Bible instead of a fake God that has no power to save.

This statement does not merit comment.

Christians will always have minor disagreeances,

that is just how it will be until Jesus returns……

I have said it before, disagreements that result in divisions are not minor. And since the things of God are understood by the Spirit of God, disagreements prove that somewhere the Spirit is not present.

but we are able to use the God given thinking process we have and can go directly to God, through Jesus and his Holy Word (the Bible) …..

Very true, but without using the God given “feeling” process as well, one cannot understand.

...rather than through men that have no true athority in the eyes of God, because they teach "another gospel" than the one Jesus taught.

Again, your opinion. And I honor it as such, but obviously disagree.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Since you left the Church, obviously nobody forced you to stay.

They sure tried but they were not successful
God Bless-
Grace

 

[MormonFriend]

Since you left the Church, obviously nobody forced you to stay.

They sure tried but they were not successful
God Bless-
Grace

Now you really have my interest. How did they try to force you to stay? Not beg, nor entice, even bribe ("Bribery Never Faileth") What force did they use?

 

[Wrigley]

Since you left the Church, obviously nobody forced you to stay.

They sure tried but they were not successful
God Bless-
Grace

Have you sent in your letter yet? From an ex-mo, now devout Christian woman, I know, I've heard it a very liberating experience.

 

[mikefromwichita]

hi, everyone!

A little while ago I went to a seminar the mormon church in my area was putting on. Afterwards I had a chance to speak with a wife of one of the ministers. She said something I thought was very interesting. She was saying how the purpose of mormonism is to make a bad man good and a good man even better. When I pointed out that that is basically the goal of all religions, she agreed readily with me. So I asked her how she knows she has found the one faith that will save her. She told me with no hesitation at all that she in fact is not saved, and believes there's a very good chance she will go to Hell.

This conversation raised a few questions.

1. Is the main purpose of Mormonism to be a good person?
2. Do Mormons believe in a Hell that exists for eternal punishment?
3.What is the Mormon definition of salvation?

Try 'The Maze of Mormonism' by Walter Martin

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0884490173/inktomi-bkasin-20/ref=nosim/002-7995901-6621660

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Have you sent in your letter yet? From an ex-mo, now devout Christian woman, I know, I've heard it a very liberating experience.

Wrigley, I did send in my exit letter and it was as you say, a very liberating experience once it was all done with. Free from bondage would be a good way to describe it.

Of course it was not a smooth, easy thing to do as so many lds would have you believe. I sent in my exit letter and then the bragade of lds started marching to my house almost every other day. LOL. It got to the point where it was harrassment on their part. The ward members and missionaries would show up at my door whenever the felt like it, they never called first, no matter how many times I asked them too, the worst was when they would show up uninvited at 8 or 9 pm and I was trying to get my kids to bed.

The final straw was when the uninvited missionaries showed up at the door for the 3rd time that week and told me, in front of my young children, that I had turned my back on God and "the true church" andwould answer to God for what I had done before he judged me to "outer darkness". My son started to cry at the thought of his mother in "outerdarkness", I don't think he even know what they meant but by the tone of their voices and the angry looks on their faces, he knew it was NOT a good thing. When I tried to shut the door on the missionaries after this remark, one of them put his foot in the door so I couldn't shut it. I told my son to get the phone, I was calling "dad"...at that point the missionary removed his foot and they left. When my husband got home, I told him what had happened and he called the bishop of that ward we used to be in and told him if anything like that ever happened again, we would take legal action. You would think that the problems stopped at that point, right? wrong. They kept coming to the house and I just quit answering the door and refused to speak to them.

Then the primary president of the ward started sending little cards and notes in the mail to my children. She would write things in the cards like, "try to get your mom and dad to come back to church"...."I know you love Heavenly Father so you will help him bring your mom and dad back to his true church"..."we missed you at church last sunday, we hope to see you there next sunday. Heavenly Father wants you to come to church". I wrote her a letter myself and told her to never send anything to my children again and if she did, I would get an attorney. So far so good. Since that point, they have not bothered us and I hope it stays that way.

Oh, and on a side note...the bishop held my exit letter for a few weeks, then he sent it to the stake pres. who sat on it for 30 days just incase I changed my mind (which I clearly stated in the letter was not going to happen and they should go ahead and dismiss the 30 day waiting period) then he sent it to the church office of gregory Dodge in SLC and then a few months later, I recieved confirmation that per my request, I was no longer a member of the cojcolds and that all my covenants and blessings in the church were void. Yee haw, I was so excited. It really was a very terrific feeling.

God Bless-
Grace

 

[Wrigley]

Wrigley, I did send in my exit letter and it was as you say, a very liberating experience once it was all done with. Free from bondage would be a good way to describe it.

Of course it was not a smooth, easy thing to do as so many lds would have you believe. I sent in my exit letter and then the bragade of lds started marching to my house almost every other day. LOL. It got to the point where it was harrassment on their part. The ward members and missionaries would show up at my door whenever the felt like it, they never called first, no matter how many times I asked them too, the worst was when they would show up uninvited at 8 or 9 pm and I was trying to get my kids to bed.

The final straw was when the uninvited missionaries showed up at the door for the 3rd time that week and told me, in front of my young children, that I had turned my back on God and "the true church" andwould answer to God for what I had done before he judged me to "outer darkness". My son started to cry at the thought of his mother in "outerdarkness", I don't think he even know what they meant but by the tone of their voices and the angry looks on their faces, he knew it was NOT a good thing. When I tried to shut the door on the missionaries after this remark, one of them put his foot in the door so I couldn't shut it. I told my son to get the phone, I was calling "dad"...at that point the missionary removed his foot and they left. When my husband got home, I told him what had happened and he called the bishop of that ward we used to be in and told him if anything like that ever happened again, we would take legal action. You would think that the problems stopped at that point, right? wrong. They kept coming to the house and I just quit answering the door and refused to speak to them.

Then the primary president of the ward started sending little cards and notes in the mail to my children. She would write things in the cards like, "try to get your mom and dad to come back to church"...."I know you love Heavenly Father so you will help him bring your mom and dad back to his true church"..."we missed you at church last sunday, we hope to see you there next sunday. Heavenly Father wants you to come to church". I wrote her a letter myself and told her to never send anything to my children again and if she did, I would get an attorney. So far so good. Since that point, they have not bothered us and I hope it stays that way.

Oh, and on a side note...the bishop held my exit letter for a few weeks, then he sent it to the stake pres. who sat on it for 30 days just incase I changed my mind (which I clearly stated in the letter was not going to happen and they should go ahead and dismiss the 30 day waiting period) then he sent it to the church office of gregory Dodge in SLC and then a few months later, I recieved confirmation that per my request, I was no longer a member of the cojcolds and that all my covenants and blessings in the church were void. Yee haw, I was so excited. It really was a very terrific feeling.

God Bless-
Grace

Sorry to hear your experience was so tough. And thanks for sharing your story, it is comforting to see how strong God really is. Those missionaries and toadies who thought they had some power, were and are powerless. I hope you are able to remember your independence day.

And, don't let the predictible comments that are sure to come from the mormons on this board get to you.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Sorry to hear your experience was so tough. And thanks for sharing your story, it is comforting to see how strong God really is. Those missionaries and toadies who thought they had some power, were and are powerless. I hope you are able to remember your independence day.

And, don't let the predictible comments that are sure to come from the mormons on this board get to you.

NO worries wrigley, believe me....if you have heard one lds person try to convince you that you have left the "true church", you have heard them all. I would not be a bit suprized at the remarks I am sure will come from the LDS on this board. Even so, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that I am right with God and I am so all is well.

Thank you for your kind words.

God Bless-
Grace