Do Mormons go to Hell?

[Toms777]

I know where you're coming from. The mormons here will probably not be converted. This is more of an exercise to protect.

Yes, but there is always hope. Some of those who fight most vehemently against the gospel may be doing so because they are resisting the convicting work of the Holy Spirit in their heart; or because of fear that if they accept the truth, that they may be cutoff from their community and their family. These people need prayer.

 

[Toms777]

FB: Oh for crying out loud. Not everything out of their mouths is scripture.

It was not us who called them prophets and apostles.

 

[Toms777]

I do not try to have it both ways.

There is truth in Lorenzo Snow’s couplet even if it is just the fact that Jesus was man, Jesus is God, we are men, we can become gods. Beyond this, I do not know anything for sure. It is all guesses and speculation. And none of it is doctrinal.

Jesus is God who became a man, not an exalted man who became God. If you try to apply the Snow couplet to this, it again becomes false doctrine because it says the esact opposit of what the Bible says.

Yet Joseph Smith himself proclaimed it to be "gospel doctrine"

Every Christian who existed before the Reformist distorted the meaning of the Bible by blatantly ignoring whole books knew that the Bible spoke of men becoming gods. It is you who cannot see the plain truths in the Bible.
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Where in the Bible does it say that men can become God or gods?

2 Cor 8:9 was understood by the ECF to speak of deification.

I don't care about teachings of men, I don't folow "reformists", Catholics, or any other man - I care about what the Bible has to say and follow the teachings of the Bible.

Where in the Bible does it say that men can become God or gods?

 

[fatboys]

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Jesus is God who became a man, not an exalted man who became God. If you try to apply the Snow couplet to this, it again becomes false doctrine because it says the esact opposit of what the Bible says.

Yet Joseph Smith himself proclaimed it to be "gospel doctrine"

Every Christian who existed before the Reformist distorted the meaning of the Bible by blatantly ignoring whole books knew that the Bible spoke of men becoming gods. It is you who cannot see the plain truths in the Bible.
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Where in the Bible does it say that men can become God or gods?


I don't care about teachings of men, I don't folow "reformists", Catholics, or any other man - I care about what the Bible has to say and follow the teachings of the Bible.

Where in the Bible does it say that men can become God or gods?

FB: You have to believe the bible is inerrent and the way you interpret it is the correct way. Why? Because you have nothing else to stand on. The bible is not complete, it does not have all the writings that are available and known that were written by ancient apostles. These books are not in the Bible because uninspired men chose which ones to leave out.

 

[Toms777]

FB: You have to believe the bible is inerrent and the way you interpret it is the correct way. Why?

I don't interpret - I allow it to speak and interpret itself. That is the problem with most errors and that is that people try to bend scripture to fit their preconceived theologies and beliefs (i.e. believe that Jospeh Smith was a propeht and bend the interpretation of the Bible to try to fit what Joseph Smith taught). The Bible says that the Bereans, rather, went to the Bible and tested what they were taught by searching the scriptures.

Because you have nothing else to stand on. The bible is not complete, it does not have all the writings that are available and known that were written by ancient apostles.

Really? And you ahppened across some additional writings, did you?

These books are not in the Bible because uninspired men chose which ones to leave out.

And you believe other un-inspired men who chose to write additional books in the 19th century.

Show me again where the Bible endorses men becoming God or gods...why did you not answer this question?

 

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fatboys quote:
You have to believe the bible is inerrent and the way you interpret it is the correct way. Why? Because you have nothing else to stand on.

Actually, what we stand on is the Word of God. The Holy Bible, showing the creation of man, mans condition caused by disobedience, His Son who came to redeem us out of His Great Love for us, the termination of all evil, and man in heaven, with God, and His Son forever and ever.

In the Holy Bible alone, is all the fullfillment.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,



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[happyinhisgrace]

God Wasn't Always God: "God himself was once as we are now and is an EXALTED MAN....We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I WILL REFUTE THAT IDEA.......(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.345)

Joseph Smith exhorted the people that they had to learn to be gods themselves.


Man May Become A God ".....YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,.....the same as all GODS have done before you,.....To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until YOU ARRIVE AT THE STATION OF A GOD,...." (Teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith,pp, 346,347)

 

[happyinhisgrace]

“This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: ‘It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did’ (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46).” (Gospel Principles, 1997. Chapter 47 “EXALTATION”).

We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement -- a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be.'" (LDS Apostle James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, Ch.24, p.430 - p.431, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)

" 'It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues, 'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.' The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.64, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)

Thus, on this beautiful spring morning in the Sacred Grove, Joseph Smith witnessed the renewal of God's dealing with his children in accordance with the great gospel plan of redemption. Upon this occasion God the Father and his Beloved Son Jesus Christ appearing as glorified Resurrected Beings unto a chosen servant of God, made known once again the state of immortality which man will attain in preparation for the next estate of eternity; that also the world once again could know the reality of the personal nature of God the Father and his Beloved Son. (LDS Apostle Alvin R. Dyer, Conference Report, April 1963, p.49 - p.50, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)

"God: Creator And Ruler Of Many Worlds. -- While it is true that evolutionists may be divided between theistic and atheistic groups, yet most of those professing belief in God consider him to be an indefinable force, essence, or power of an incomprehensible nature. According to revelation, however, he is a personal Being, a holy and exalted Man, a glorified, resurrected Personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones, an anthropomorphic Entity, the personal Father of the spirits of all men. (D. & C. 130:22- 23; Moses 6:51, 57; Abra. 3:22-24; Jos. Smith 2:16-19.)"

"We are members of the family of the Eternal Father. He is a glorified and exalted and eternal Being, having a resurrected body of flesh and bones. His name is God, and the kind of life he lives is God's life. His name is also Eternal, and the name of the kind of life he lives is eternal life. Eternal life is God's life, and God's life is eternal life. We are commanded to be perfect as he is perfect and to advance and progress until we become like him, or in other words, until we gain eternal life. Thus Joseph Smith said, "You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." (Teachings, pp. 346-47.) Christ our Lord has so obtained, thus enabling him to say to the faithful: "Ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father." (3 Ne. 28:10.)" (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Mortal Messiah, Vol.1, p.23 - p.24, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)

"This was the calling of Joseph Smith. He taught anew that God was in the form of man; that man was made in the image of God; and he taught the principles of justice, mercy, charity, and forgiveness. ... He taught the truths that the Prophets before him had taught; and he went beyond them. ... Joseph Smith taught men to look up to heaven and conceive of a God in the form of man. He taught them that they could become like their Father and God, who was 'an exalted Man.' And what is more simple and reasonable? Don't you parents expect your children to become like you? Or do you expect your children to be something else than men and women? No. You men will see your sons become men; you women will see your daughters become women. Then God our Father--yes, and our Mother--in heaven, looking down upon this world-- this school house in which their children are being educated--expect, and Joseph Smith taught it as a truth, that their children will be exalted, if they pursue the proper course, until they shall become divine beings themselves, worthy to stand upon that plane where stand their Father and their Mother in heaven. Like begets like; and the principle of eternal progress will make of man a God. (LDS Apostle Orson F. Whitney, Collected Discourses, Vol.5, May 8, 1898, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)


So much for this never being LDS docterine!

 

[MormonFriend]

I don't interpret - I allow it to speak and interpret itself.

And that is why there are multiple churches that claim to be one, yet understand differently.

Show me again where the Bible endorses men becoming God or gods...why did you not answer this question?

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.(Genesis1:26 - 27)

Perhaps it is not a question of becoming like God. We were already created that way from the begining. We already have His image, and His likeness. Part of what we lack is imortality, and that comes after we fulfill some important obligations He has set forth in this earthly life. We also lack His knowledge and His power. He gives that to us little by little, as we prove that we can handle it and free will together.

25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; (Pearl of Great Price | Abraham3:25)

Many people cannot or will not prove themselves thus.

But of course, you will not see it this way because this comes from restored knowledge through revelation. I know you reject this concept, so really there is no arguement
over particular doctrines. If the apostasy never happened then all of our "peculiar" doctrines are man made. And if the Restoration did occur, then this scripture would apply to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (Titus2:13 - 14)

 

[happyinhisgrace]

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.(Genesis1:26 - 27)

So, by your interpetation of this scripture, we are ALL already Gods. So tell me, when was the last time you walked on water or raised the dead?
God Bless-
Tami

 

[MormonFriend]

So, by your interpetation of this scripture, we are ALL already Gods. So tell me, when was the last time you walked on water or raised the dead?
God Bless-
Tami

Tami, I wrote other words along with my post that should clarify your question.
First I said "Perhaps." That would indicate a possibility, or that I do not know for sure. It invites discussion. What do you think being created in "his likeness" includes, excludes and why?

Second, I said we lack His knowledge and power, so walking on water is limited to water skiing for me. I have not tried raising the dead up to this point, nor do I dwell on the thought of it, but that power is given to the Lord's annointed.

 

[Invader Pichu]

Some Mormons will go to Hell, while others won't. Dispite the fact that a lot of people think "mormonism" is a cult, it does have the same basic teachings as any other Christian church.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

OK Mormon Friend but that verse still does not teach that man can become a God, only that humanity is created in his likeness that we have some of his atributes. There is no where in the Bible that says man can become a God, in fact, it says just the opposite....there is only and ever has been only ONE God. Even you admit by using the word "perhaps" that it is nothing more than speculation or guess work to think such a thing.

God Bless-Grace

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Some Mormons will go to Hell, while others won't. Dispite the fact that a lot of people think "mormonism" is a cult, it does have the same basic teachings as any other Christian church.

Such as?

 

[Toms777]

Some Mormons will go to Hell, while others won't. Dispite the fact that a lot of people think "mormonism" is a cult, it does have the same basic teachings as any other Christian church.

Not at all. They believe in a God who is a space alien, born as a man, who grew up to be God who now resides on the planet Kolob. they believe that Satan told the truth when he said that men could be gods, and that the sin against God in the garden was a good thing. They believe that men can become gods.

The Bible teaches one God in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, a God who is from everlasting to everlasting, never chnaging. The Bible teaches that sin condemned all mankind and as a result only God who came to earth as a man to die on the cross could pay the penalty for our sin, otherwise we are all destined for eternity in hell. For those who accept Jesus Christ as Saviour, we are justified as a result of the righteous of Christ, not our own righteousness. The Bible teaches a God who is immutable, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

There is no salvation in the Mormon gods.

 

[Toms777]

And that is why there are multiple churches that claim to be one, yet understand differently.

There is only one true church of which Jesus is the head - that is the body of believers.

Perhaps it is not a question of becoming like God.

Don't try to avoid the question. Mormonism teaches specifically that God was once a man and that men can become gods.

Where does the Bible say that men can become God or gods?

 

[Invader Pichu]

Such as?

We believe Jesus died for us on the cross. If we accept Jesus as our Savior, we will live in heaven in the afterlife. There is only one God. I honestly have no idea where y’all get these false notions of the LDS/RLDS church. I’ve been to the church and they NEVER taught any of the junk y’all claim we believe.

 

[Toms777]

We believe Jesus died for us on the cross. If we accept Jesus as our Savior, we will live in heaven in the afterlife. There is only one God. I honestly have no idea where y’all get these false notions of the LDS/RLDS church. I’ve been to the church and they NEVER taught any of the junk y’all claim we believe.

Then you have not listened very closely if you have attended the CoJCoLDS.

Read the Book of Abraham and you will see that Joseph Smith wrote of "Gods", not God.

Abr 4:1 AND then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.

Doctrine of Covenants, also written by Joseph Smith, tell us that men become gods:

D&C 132:19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

Check it out for ouyrself.

If you believe that there is only one God and that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and not to make us gods, then you need to leave the Mormon church.

 

[Invader Pichu]

I payed attention in the LDS church. You know what? It was basically the same as a Pentacoastal church I used to go to. And I'll stay in the LDS/RLDS church, thank you.

 

[Toms777]

I payed attention in the LDS church. You know what? It was basically the same as a Pentacoastal church I used to go to. And I'll stay in the LDS/RLDS church, thank you.

Are you in RLDS or CoJCoLDS? You are not being clear. These churches do not believe the same things.

In any case, if you accept the Book of Abraham and D&C as scripture, then you are accepting a different gospel, a gospel which was given by Satan in the garden when he tried to tell Adam and Eve that they could be gods.