Do Disbelievers Go Too Hell?

[mike1reynolds]

Once again, you define the truth of God's word as bigotry. You're calling God a bigot. My concern for you hasn't lessened one bit.

How is your false view of God anything other than bigoted? Define bigotry such that your view of God is not bigoted? If you can’t, then it is not God’s word, it is a false interpretation.

And by the way, Hinduism and Christianity aren't compatible. Hindus aren't Christian even if they say Jesus is a messiah or avatar or whatever. To them, He's probably only one of many.

Many in time, each new one supercedes the previous. But did you throw out the Old Testament when Jesus showed up?

 

[mike1reynolds]

Here is the verdict: an atheist and a pagan do not agree with your statement that Christianity is bigotry.

Since that is not my assertion, it lead me to suspect that you did not ask the question as I repeatedly posed it. Do you know what my assertion is? Can you accurately repeat it? You slaughtered it here.

 

[Lynn73]

How is your false view of God anything other than bigoted? Define bigotry such that your view of God is not bigoted? If you can’t, then it is not God’s word, it is a false interpretation.

You're almost speaking in riddles it seems like. How do you know my view of God is false? My view of God is based on His word, the Bible. Yours doesn't appear to be. And you clearly call what the Bible says about salvation bigoted, therefore you're calling God bigoted.

any in time, each new one supercedes the previous. But did you throw out the Old Testament when Jesus showed up?

I haven't thrown anything out, we're simply under the New Covenant or Testament now because of Christ. He instigated the new covenant in His blood. Once and for all. No more need of contantly sacrificing animals. He's the Lamb of God, the final, perfect sacrifice.

 

[Melethiel]

Since that is not my assertion, it lead me to suspect that you did not ask the question as I repeatedly posed it. Do you know what my assertion is? Can you accurately repeat it? You slaughtered it here.

I believe this is your assertion:

Do you think that the belief that all non-Christians go too Hell is not a form of religious bigotry?

And I repeat, I did not ask the question. You did. In fact, you "repeatedly posed it". Now please, stop attacking our intelligence and accept that.

 

[mike1reynolds]

You can't address the quesition because there is only one possible answer. You can't define bigotry such that it excludes your views. All you can do is assert that all liberal Christians are not Christians at all, and so you don't need to answer the question. There is no way to define bigotry such that it excludes your views. If you can do this, you will have won and I will become a convert to your view. This my word of honor.

As to one church under the antichrist, I'll bet he'll be a Muslim. As I've said, Muslims are going to go too Hell in droves. Their holy book came straight from the mouth of a demon. Mohammed never saw the entity, he just heard it's voice and dictated what it said to him, which was recorded as the Qur'an. So your characterization of my views is entirely false in this regard.

 

[mike1reynolds]

I haven't thrown anything out, we're simply under the New Covenant or Testament now because of Christ.

Precisely! Yet you expect the Hindus to throw out all of their older works. This is a double standard.

 

[mike1reynolds]

I do not assert that Christianity is bigoted. The majority of Christian do not believe that all non-Christians go too Hell, and they are not bigoted.

 

[Lynn73]

You can't address the quesition because there is only one possible answer. You can't define bigotry such that it excludes your views. All you can do is assert that all liberal Christians are not Christians at all, and so you don't need to answer the question. There is no way to define bigotry such that it excludes your views. If you can do this, you will have won and I will become a convert to your view.

Your word games won't get around the fact that you seem to disagree with the biblical view of salvation. You call the biblical view bigoted. It's not OUR views we're propogating here, it's the Bible's, and THAT is what you are calling bigoted, God's word. I'll say it again. My view, which you call bigoted, is the biblical view. Have you got that? Therefore it is God and His word you are calling bigoted so you can stop with the "you can't define bigotry so that it excludes your views" nonsense. My views are God's views. He's revealed His gospel in Scripture and I agree with Him. You evidently don't.

As to one church under the antichrist, I'll bet he'll be a Muslim. As I've said, Muslims are going to go too Hell in droves. Their holy book came straight from the mouth of a demon. Mohammed never saw the entity, he just heard it's voice and dictated what it said to him, which was recorded as the Qur'an. So your characterization of my views is entirely false in this regard.

The one world religion is going to be an amalgamation of all the false religions and cults, not just Islam.

 

[Melethiel]

I do not assert that Christianity is bigoted. The majority of Christian do not believe that all non-Christians go too Hell, and they are not bigoted.

Let's see. The majority of Christians would be Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline Protestants. While not all these groups will make definitive statements about the fate of non-Christians (as I have stated repeatedly, it is left up to God), they would all affirm that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

 

[mike1reynolds]

Your word games won't get around the fact that you seem to disagree with the biblical view of salvation. You call the biblical view bigoted. It's not OUR views we're propogating here, it's the Bible's, and THAT is what you are calling bigoted, God's word. I'll say it again. My view, which you call bigoted, is the biblical view. Have you got that?

It is your interpretation, which a majority of Christians reject, and you cannot defend. All you can do is assert that it is the only possible interpretation, even as you speak for only minority of Christians.

The one world religion is going to be an amalgamation of all the false religions and cults, not just Islam.

Hindus would be the last people on Earth to join in with Muslims. Do you have any idea how much animosity there is between Hindus and Muslims? That is why Pakistan separated from India, and the process was a blood bath.

 

[Lynn73]

I do not assert that Christianity is bigoted. The majority of Christian do not believe that all non-Christians go too Hell, and they are not bigoted.

Then, in my opinion, they don't believe the Bible because that's what it teaches. You continue to call God and His word bigoted. How long is this going to continue?

Precisely! Yet you expect the Hindus to throw out all of their older works. This is a double standard.

Are you for real? Hindus aren't saved, they are lost. They need the gospel of Christ. They don't need to be affirmed in their false religion, they need to be told the truth. Just as the Great Commissions of Christ commands us to do. Why do you think we send missionaries out to the world? Because all those outside of Christ are lost. You are making less and less sense.

 

[mike1reynolds]

Let's see. The majority of Christians would be Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline Protestants. While not all these groups will make definitive statements about the fate of non-Christians (as I have stated repeatedly, it is left up to God), they would all affirm that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

The majority do not make definitive statements about the fate of all non-Christians, roughly 75%. To do so is bigotry and 75% don't. So your have falsely characterized my assertion.

 

[Lynn73]

The Bible makes definitive statements about it, whether you accept it or not.

Good night.

 

[mike1reynolds]

Then, in my opinion, they don't believe the Bible because that's what it teaches. You continue to call God and His word bigoted. How long is this going to continue?

Only as long as you twist the Bible too bigotry and insist that anyone who does not do so is not Christian.

If you can show me how your views are not bigotry, then I will convert, this is my word of honor. Simply asserting you are right and 75% of Christiandom is wrong does not do this. You have simply assumed your conclusion, that is circular reasoning. That is how CULTS work, they program people with circular reasoning.

 

[Melethiel]

The majority do not make definitive statements about the fate of all non-Christians, roughly 75%. To do so is bigotry and 75% don't. So your have falsely characterized my assertion.

There is a difference between not judging a person's fate while still stating that those who reject Christ will go to hell, and saying that somebody will be saved if they have "selfless love". In other words, all of these groups will say that those who reject Christ will go to hell, while not pronouncing judgment on individuals.

 

[mike1reynolds]

There is a difference between not judging a person's fate while still stating that those who reject Christ will go to hell, and saying that somebody will be saved if they have "selfless love". In other words, all of these groups will say that those who reject Christ will go to hell, while not pronouncing judgment on individuals.

I don’t disagree with this at all, but the critical matter is the definition of rejection. How do you define rejection such that not all non-Christians go too Hell?

 

[Melethiel]

I don’t disagree with this at all, but the critical matter is the definition of rejection. How do you define rejection such that not all non-Christians go too Hell?

e·ject
tr.v. re·ject·ed, re·ject·ing, re·jects

1. To refuse to accept, submit to, believe, or make use of

The Church of Christ is the body of Christ. If one rejects His Church, he rejects Christ.

 

[mike1reynolds]

How does that draw the distinction in question? Rejection of Jesus in what context?

 

[mike1reynolds]

The Message isn't a translation, it's a paraphrase. It's okay for reading, but too inaccurate to be used for study.

You are right of course. I was getting the Amplified Bible confused with the Message Bible. It is the Amplified Bible that is the only translation to use the correct term, whelp, in Mark. It is also a lot thicker because it is full of paranthetical phrases to make sure that all the nuances of the Bible are captured.

 

[BarbB]

Lynn, BarbB, and Melethiel, do you think that Martin Luther King was preaching a false gospel?

I wasn't a Christian when MLK was alive and preaching. He was noted to be a Christian, yet sinned. He was political which as I read in Romans, we are not to be political. I have no idea what gospel he was preaching. Sorry.