Do Disbelievers Go Too Hell?

[Lynn73]

I was thinking after I was offline that I needed to reword what I said. My apologies for directing my "twised" remark toward you personally. That's against the rules. Rather I should have said that I believe the things you're promoting are twisted in my opinion. Moderators, my apologies. I didn't realize what I'd done till I was offline.

 

[Lynn73]

That is an excellent excuse for immorality!

No, it isn't. Those who truly belong to Christ won't desire to live immoral lives. The Holy Spirit within won't make immorality comfortable for the true Christian.

P.S. You don't need to use large font all the time, I feel like I'm being yelled at.

 

[Lynn73]

Such hypocrisy! You distort God’s words to suite your own desires. You just want to be self-important and pat yourself on the back about how superior you are to perfectly moral people.

Odd, that's exactly what I believe you're doing according to what I've heard you say so far. My opinion.

No, I am saying that you have twisted God's word into something it is not to justify immoraliy. That would indicate the presence of a demon.

I don't recall justifying immorality anywhere. You're putting words in my mouth. All I'm attempting to do is put your ideas of salvation next to what the Bible says and show that they don't agree with one another.

 

[mike1reynolds]

I was thinking after I was offline that I needed to reword what I said. My apologies for directing my "twised" remark toward you personally. That's against the rules. Rather I should have said that I believe the things you're promoting are twisted in my opinion. Moderators, my apologies. I didn't realize what I'd done till I was offline.

If I found that offensive I would be a complete hypocrite. I can take as much as I dish out. What I found totally offensive is, “Wow, so you're calling the God of the Bible a demon?”

That is the lowest sort of insult possible and you know full well that it is totally dishonest.

I am perfectly willing to debate with you respectfully without any ***-for-tat, but you are constantly spewing a stream of insults. Pretty soon I get swept up in your anger too. Two wrongs don't make a right, but human beings can only with stand a barage of insults for so long before they have a reaction.

Actually, now that you mention it, I did always refer to your argument as twisted and never you personally. I didn't even think about it, I'm so use to getting insulted by you. One insult like that hardly makes a difference to me, only with large numbers of them do I start to have a reaction. But the statement that really matters here offends me utterly to the core, and you didn't even apologize for it. It is the worst form of religious bigotry possible.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Fake MOD HAT on...

OK you guys... settle down and stop with the personal attacks...

Fake MOD HAT off...

Forgive me....

 

[Lynn73]

If I found that offensive I would be a complete hypocrite. I can take as much as I dish out. What I found totally offensive is, “Wow, so you're calling the God of the Bible a demon?”

That is the lowest sort of insult possible and you know full well that it is totally dishonest.

I am perfectly willing to debate with you respectfully with any ***-for-tat, but you are constantly spewing a stream of insults. Pretty soon I get swept up in your anger too. Two wrongs don't make a right, but human beings can only with stand a barage of insults for so long before they have a reaction.

I'm sorry but that's what I'm getting from your posts. You appear to be saying that the biblical plan of salvation is wrong and that if God condemns moral people to hell, then He's a demon. Well, there are moral people who'll be in hell because being moral cannot save. Have you ever read the Scripture that says all our righteousnes is like filthy rags in His sight? If anyone's morality could get them to heaven, what need is there for the cross of Christ. Yet you continually put down the fact that those outside of Christ are lost and say that kind of God is demonic so yes, in my opinion, your posts seem to be saying to me that God is a demon. That's what I'm getting from your posts and I can't apologize for that. If what you believe about how a person is saved differs from what the Bible says, then you're wrong and that's all there is to it.

 

[mike1reynolds]

P.S. You don't need to use large font all the time, I feel like I'm being yelled at.

Sorry, I only up it by one size. Font size 2 looks like microfish to me, I have to lean way over to see it.

 

[mike1reynolds]

So the 75% of Christendom that agrees with my interpretion believes that the God of the Bible is a demon? I find it extremely hard to believe that you are being honest here, this is just the worst sort of insult that you would apply to any of that 75% who argued with you as persistently as me.

 

[Debi1967]

GOD DEMANDS MORALITY. GOD'S MORALITY IS NOT RELATIVE.

Mike please stop screaming at all of us.....

We are not the ones talking of relativity here. What I am sorry to say, from someone that used to be a relativist, and you may ask plenty of people here that knew me before I converted back to being Catholic, this is what you are saying, or at least coming across in this thread as saying.

Now I talked to thereselittleflower, last night, and she told me that in another thread you were actually saying something quite opposite to what you are saying in here. Not that you are double talking yourself, but I do think that we have some form of misunderstanding going on here and I would like to resolve it.

So, therefore, I am going to ask some questions to better understand where you are coming from, if that is alright with you.

First I would like to know, do you believe that all will be Saved by Christ Sacrificial Grace and why?

Second, if, you do not believe that all will be Saved by His Sacrificial Grace, then who do you think will be Saved and why?

Do you believe that some can and will reject God's Grace? And do you believe that this rejection will then put them at the hands of God's Justice?

What do you believe God's Justice to be?

Do you believe that God is governed by our limited human understanding and fallible ways, therefore guided by imperfect logic and reason like we are?

I think that if we can restart here with some of these answers, then maybe we can then move onto talking more productively with one another in a better understanding of where each of us really stands....

In Christ
Debi

 

[Akathist]

Mod hat on

I am closing the thread for a bit for staff review and also so that everyone can take a breather as it appears that emotions are running high here.