Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[EternalDragon]

I hear a lot of Christians claim this but I seriously doubt most of them.

Why were you an atheist? What religion did your parents have?

And remember that atheism and evolution are different subjects.

Why do you pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe? No Christian that I know of believes the whole Bible. I am wondering why you believe the Earth is spherical and yet you don't accept the theory of evolution?

One is based on observations in the here and now. The other is based on assumptions and fantasy about past events that can't be observed or repeated. It's not hard to tell which is operational science and which is historical science that has a lot of speculation thrown in.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is virtue knowledge? Can it be taught?

Define "virtue".

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that 15 billion years passed before the first day of creation. After that the earth was created in six days as in the Genesis account. Therefore the world is only about 6,300 years old.

Then you believe in a God that would lie to you. When I was a Christian that is one thing I could not believe in.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One is based on observations in the here and now. The other is based on assumptions and fantasy about past events that can't be observed or repeated. It's not hard to tell which is operational science and which is historical science that has a lot of speculation thrown in.

Yes, you are right. Evolution is clearly the truth.

 

[stevevw]

Indeed. Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with my atheism. If I became convinced of God, it would merely mean that I would be convinced that both are true.

Even though they have nothing to do with each other isn't there an awful lot of atheists who are evolutionists or evolutionists who are atheists. Don't they go hand in hand in some ways.

 

[bhsmte]

Even though they have nothing to do with each other isn't there an awful lot of atheists who are evolutionists or evolutionists who are atheists. Don't they go hand in hand in some ways.

It is also true, that the majority of Christians agree with the TOE.

 

[stevevw]

It is also true, that the majority of Christians agree with the TOE.

The majority, I think they are mainly Catholics aren't they. I have always wondered about this. There are a couple of different views of evolution within this as well. Some believe God started evolution by planting the seed of life which I guess was the chemicals to make life or maybe even put it all together as a bacteria to give it a little kick start. But they never state what that exactly is. I personally think its a Clayton's belief in evolution because they cant handle creation. They think its easier to believe that than try to prove God created us and the universe in completeness.

Some believe that God also intervened along the way and injected a boost into evolution. Things may have evolved to a point but then God came along and still created man. Some believe that God started everything with the ingredients for the big bang. But none of them really explain what they mean and to me its like having the best of both worlds because they cant handle standing firm on either one or they cant stand firm on God alone and have let the naturalistic world view seep into their beliefs.

So its hard to really say they are fair dinkum evolutionists. It just seems contradictory to believe in both at the same time. Well the Darwinist view anyway where everything is self creating in a natural world. Thats why I say that evolutionists and atheists are connected in some ways because most dont see the need for a God. If you look at one of the greatest biologists and evolutionists Richard Dawkins he is almost becoming one of the greatest atheists as well lately. He is joining up with Lawrence Krauss and they are both going around promoting that there in no need for God. But many Christians believe in a form of evolution which is a variation that can occur within a creatures existing genetics. That may have great capacity for varying creatures even to the point of looking like it creates new kinds of creatures. But still they believe that God created the major kinds of life including us. Its worth noting as well that Dawkins once said that evolution gives the impression of mimicking creations.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well... Goodluck on all of that guys. I think the whole evolution thing is a lie from satan himself and he finds humour in the deception.

That would require Satan to rewrite the genome of every species to make it look like they share a common ancestor and evolved from a common ancestor.

 

[justlookinla]

It is also true, that the majority of Christians agree with the TOE.

No Christian embraces the Godless form of evolution.

 

[justlookinla]

That would require Satan to rewrite the genome of every species to make it look like they share a common ancestor and evolved from a common ancestor.

Common building blocks used by God.

 

[Loudmouth]

Even though they have nothing to do with each other isn't there an awful lot of atheists who are evolutionists or evolutionists who are atheists. Don't they go hand in hand in some ways.

Atheism tends to go hand in hand with accepting claims that are backed by objective evidence. Evolution is only the tip of the iceberg. Atheists also tend to accept the scientific explanation for infectious diseases, the structure of atoms, the ideas governing the dispersal of heat and work within a system, the structure of planets and stars, etc.

Atheists accept reason, evidence, and logic. What atheists don't accept is unevidenced religious claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No Christian embraces the Godless form of evolution.

And how is any form of evolution "godless"? Most Christians accept the form of evolution where man shares a common ancestor with other apes. Since that is evolution. Most Christians accept the form of evolution where Man shares a common ancestor with all mammals since that is evolution.

Once again, what is the "Godless form of evolution"?

 

[bhsmte]

The majority, I think they are mainly Catholics aren't they. I have always wondered about this. There are a couple of different views of evolution within this as well. Some believe God started evolution by planting the seed of life which I guess was the chemicals to make life or maybe even put it all together as a bacteria to give it a little kick start. But they never state what that exactly is. I personally think its a Clayton's belief in evolution because they cant handle creation. They think its easier to believe that than try to prove God created us and the universe in completeness.

Some believe that God also intervened along the way and injected a boost into evolution. Things may have evolved to a point but then God came along and still created man. Some believe that God started everything with the ingredients for the big bang. But none of them really explain what they mean and to me its like having the best of both worlds because they cant handle standing firm on either one or they cant stand firm on God alone and have let the naturalistic world view seep into their beliefs.

So its hard to really say they are fair dinkum evolutionists. It just seems contradictory to believe in both at the same time. Well the Darwinist view anyway where everything is self creating in a natural world. Thats why I say that evolutionists and atheists are connected in some ways because most dont see the need for a God. If you look at one of the greatest biologists and evolutionists Richard Dawkins he is almost becoming one of the greatest atheists as well lately. He is joining up with Lawrence Krauss and they are both going around promoting that there in no need for God. But many Christians believe in a form of evolution which is a variation that can occur within a creatures existing genetics. That may have great capacity for varying creatures even to the point of looking like it creates new kinds of creatures. But still they believe that God created the major kinds of life including us. Its worth noting as well that Dawkins once said that evolution gives the impression of mimicking creations.

The different views on evolution piece doesn't fly.

When polled, people are asked if they agree with the TOE states period. No one is stopping them from thinking a God started the process, but at the end of the day, they agree with what the TOE states.

In the United States, the majority of Christians agree with what the TOE states. In other advanced countries, the percentages of people who agree with the TOE are much higher, then the United States.

 

[Loudmouth]

No more evidence than you have.

We have a comparison of ape and human genomes that evidences common ancestry.

Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

Where are your peer reviewed papers in the field of genetics demonstrating that humans and apes had separate origins?

 

[Loudmouth]

No Christian embraces the Godless form of evolution.

They embrace it as much as they embrace Godless gravity, Godless chemistry, Godless thermodynamics, Godless infectious diseases, etc.

 

[Loudmouth]

Common building blocks used by God.

Why would using common building blocks form a nested hierarchy? Engineers use common building blocks to design cars, and cars do not fall into a nested hierarchy.

 

[Skaloop]

Common building blocks used by God.

That exhibit a twin-nested hierarchy that is an absolute requirement for evolution but not at all necessary in any way for a designer?

 

[justlookinla]

And how is any form of evolution "godless"? Most Christians accept the form of evolution where man shares a common ancestor with other apes. Since that is evolution. Most Christians accept the form of evolution where Man shares a common ancestor with all mammals since that is evolution.

Once again, what is the "Godless form of evolution"?

From the Biologos Foundation website...

"Evolutionism is the atheistic worldview that says life developed without God and without purpose. Instead, we agree with Christians who adhere to Intelligent Design and Creationism that the God of the Bible created the universe and all life."​

 

[justlookinla]

They embrace it as much as they embrace Godless gravity, Godless chemistry, Godless thermodynamics, Godless infectious diseases, etc.

No they don't. Stick with how humanity came into existence instead of attempting to change the focus.

 

[justlookinla]

Why would using common building blocks form a nested hierarchy? Engineers use common building blocks to design cars, and cars do not fall into a nested hierarchy.

It's part of the designers plan.