Do creationists accept the evolution of plants?

[Mr Strawberry]

I believe Juvenissun is into what is called sacred geology.

That's not a real thing.

 

[juvenissun]

What is it that rocks do that cake does not?

Good question. Generally speaking, none.

 

[juvenissun]

If I show you a rock, how can you tell if it is dead or not? What tests do you perform?

Also, why is it that virtually ALL biologists and geologists on the planet disagree with you?

if you show me a rock, then it is alive. No test is needed.

I don't agree with myself on this argument either. I don't think rock is alive. It is simply a test to people who does not know what a life really is. The real issue is: I don't think plant is a life. If people argued that plant is a life, then I will respond by saying that rock is also s life based on the same reasons.

Ultimately, we do not have a good scientific definition of life.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

if you show me a rock, then it is alive. No test is needed.

I don't agree with myself on this argument either. I don't think rock is alive. It is simply a test to people who does not know what a life really is. The real issue is: I don't think plant is a life. If people argued that plant is a life, then I will respond by saying that rock is also s life based on the same reasons.

Ultimately, we do not have a good scientific definition of life.

Plants have DNA. DNA is a superconductive photon emitter. It is life. Rocks do not have DNA.

According to the latest research plants can also hear you eat them! https://www.google.com/search?sourc...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW_enUS579&gws_rd=ssl

 

[EternalDragon]

Plants have DNA. DNA is a superconductive photon emitter. It is life. Rocks do not have DNA.

According to the latest research plants can also hear you eat them! https://www.google.com/search?sourc...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW_enUS579&gws_rd=ssl

What if you boil them first?

 

[florida2]

Plants and animals do not have the same cell. That is why one is plant and the other is animal.

I know that. I said that if you read my reply.

What I said was that they carry out many of the same functions. If animal cells are alive, plant cells are alive.

Rocks do have cells. They are mineral grains of the rock. The function of minerals to rock is similar to that of cells to plant or animal.

Minerals are not cells. Please show me a mineral carrying out the same functions as plant and animals cells. Plant and animal cells contain organelles to carry out these different processes. Rocks do not.

 

[Naturalism]

Good question. Generally speaking, none.

Then by your rationale a cake is alive too! lol!

 

[Naturalism]

if you show me a rock, then it is alive. No test is needed.

I don't agree with myself on this argument either. I don't think rock is alive. It is simply a test to people who does not know what a life really is.

The only one demonstrating that they don't comprehend what "life" is on this thread is you. You've been the only one suggesting plants and rocks are not alive.

The real issue is: I don't think plant is a life. If people argued that plant is a life, then I will respond by saying that rock is also s life based on the same reasons.

But buddy plants and rocks don't have the same properties at all, this has been mentioned a few times already by myself and KTS. Here is a video illustrating what properties constitutes "life" & why you're wrong in both accounts that plants are alive and rocks are not.

Ultimately, we do not have a good scientific definition of life

View the video below please. The only thing we have here is your made up ad-hoc definition for what life is and is not.

What is the meaning of [the word] life? - YouTube

 

[juvenissun]

Plants have DNA. DNA is a superconductive photon emitter. It is life. Rocks do not have DNA.

According to the latest research plants can also hear you eat them! https://www.google.com/search?sourc...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW_enUS579&gws_rd=ssl

Why should a life have DNA?

 

[juvenissun]

I know that. I said that if you read my reply.

What I said was that they carry out many of the same functions. If animal cells are alive, plant cells are alive.



Minerals are not cells. Please show me a mineral carrying out the same functions as plant and animals cells. Plant and animal cells contain organelles to carry out these different processes. Rocks do not.

What processes?
Minerals can do amazing things to the rock.

 

[juvenissun]

Then by your rationale a cake is alive too! lol!

It depends on how do you define life.
Yes, it is possible.

 

[juvenissun]

The only one demonstrating that they don't comprehend what "life" is on this thread is you. You've been the only one suggesting plants and rocks are not alive.



But buddy plants and rocks don't have the same properties at all, this has been mentioned a few times already by myself and KTS. Here is a video illustrating what properties constitutes "life" & why you're wrong in both accounts that plants are alive and rocks are not.



View the video below please. The only thing we have here is your made up ad-hoc definition for what life is and is not.

I don't argue with a video. But I do argue with you. I know KTS (and others) listed 4 criteria. And we were just arguing about the first one. From that she realized that if rock is a life, then cake is also a life. Not too bad.

Do you want to continue and argue about the second one? (what was it?)

 

[Herman Hedning]

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is”, said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that’s all.”

Are you Humpty Dumpty, Juve?

 

[Naturalism]

It depends on how do you define life.
Yes, it is possible.

There is already a well defined set of criteria for what consitutes "life". KTS and others have already mentioned this a few times already. If it doesn't meet all the criteria then by definition it's not alive/living. How hard is that to comprehend really?

Biology
Since there is no unequivocal definition of life, the current understanding is descriptive. Life is considered a characteristic of something that exhibits all or most of the following traits:[36][39][40]

1) Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.

2) Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells — the basic units of life.

3) Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.,[36]

4) Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.

5) Adaptation: The ability to change over time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity, diet, and external factors.

6) Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion; for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism), and chemotaxis.

7) Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.[41][42] or "with an error rate below the sustainability threshold."[42]

These complex processes, called physiological functions, have underlying physical and chemical bases, as well as signaling and control mechanisms that are essential to maintaining life.

Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now go show me a rock that meets all (not some, not a few, ALL) those criteria and show me a plant that doesn't meet all those criteria.

 

[Naturalism]

Why should a life have DNA?

It doesn't have to, some forms of life use RNA. Still, those forms that use RNA or DNA fit all the 7 criteria. The same 7 criteria that rocks do not meet and plants do.

 

[Naturalism]

I don't argue with a video.

Did you even watch it? Apparently not.

But I do argue with you. I know KTS (and others) listed 4 criteria.

No, we listed 7. 7, not 4. I can't believe this after listing in numerous times you don't even know it's 7 criteria. Please read and comprehend. If reading doesn't suit you, then watch the video as it used the very same 7 criteria.

And we were just arguing about the first one. From that she realized that if rock is a life, then cake is also a life. Not too bad.

Don't you mean you realized this? By your rationale a dead person whose body temperature can rise when putting them in a oven is also alive. Obviously your definition here is wrong, obviously your understanding is wrong.

Do you want to continue and argue about the second one? (what was it?)

You need to show that rocks can meet all 7 criteria that define life. It's really not that difficult buddy.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

What if you boil them first?

That would be the humane thing to do.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Why should a life have DNA?

Because the photonic envelope that DNA fires is the source of experiential consciousness. Source of the holographic awareness of the body, reason for "phantom limb syndrome"


It is also required to reproduce, another hallmark of Life.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Because the photonic envelope that DNA fires is the source of experiential consciousness. Source of the holographic awareness of the body, reason for "phantom limb syndrome"


It is also required to reproduce, another hallmark of Life.

Um, the reason for phantom limb syndrome is actually that your brain is still wired to control and feel the lost limb and, due to the brains excessive stimulation requirements, the brain will fire off signals as if the limb still exists to an extent.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why should a life have DNA?

Not all things which have DNA are considered alive.