Do Catholics and Orthodox rely on private interpretation?

[Meowzltov]

You're assuming that NT "church" equals RCC

Of course he is, as do I.

 

[Albion]

Protestants don't have a Magisterium. That's why they can't agree among themselves.

"They" don't agree among themselves because "they" are not a single church body. The RCC doesn't agree with them either, so she is subject to the same criticism as any one of them.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Paul was a sinful human being, yet you believe his words here are infallible. But not all his words, but only his words in a specific circumstance.

Not only do I believe that to be true, but all of Christendom believes the holy scriptures to be infallible. What all of Christendom do not believe is that one leader or one body of men appointed by a particular denomination speaks or teaches infallibly for all of Christendom.

 

[patricius79]

Not only do I believe that to be true, but all of Christendom believes the holy scriptures to be infallible. What all of Christendom do not believe is that one leader or one body of men appointed by a particular denomination speaks or teaches infallibly for all of Christendom.

But we do agree that men can be infallible under certain circumstances, by the grace of God.

And we do agree that Scripture says, "hold fast to the traditions, just as they were handed on, whether orally or by letter" (2 Thes 2:15)

I think that is a key to Christian unity, as opposed to disunity and private judgment

 

[laternonjuror]

Protestants don't have a Magisterium. That's why they can't agree among themselves. They range from Real Presence to Symbol Only to no communion at all since it's only "spiritual."

Fancy that, we learn something every day! In 1791 , or about, the Roman Bishops wrote to the British Government and described themselves as ',protestant' dissenting catholics.'(Cal SP.') What did they mean by this?
Mind you, I believe that you have a wrong idea of the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic CHurch! In reality it is the Body of Christ and entry is gained by Triune baptism, that is, by Water and by Words.With Water we are washed , the Words are what most people ,in the west, call the Apostolic Succession,in that we believe and accept the Revelation of Christ, mentioned in Jude as being revealed to the Holy people of God. This is recorded in Scripture and Interpreted and completed by the Holy fathers in Seven Ecumenical Council.
This is the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church!
As far as I can tell, the only people who actually teach it, are the traditional Anglicans and the Holy Orthodox!

 

[Meowzltov]

Fancy that, we learn something every day! In 1791 , or about, the Roman Bishops wrote to the British Government and described themselves as ',protestant' dissenting catholics.'

What does this have to do with the fact that Catholics have a magisterium to unite us, and Protestants don't, leading them to become fragmented into endless denominations? You went off topic.

 

[laternonjuror]

What does this have to do with the fact that Catholics have a magisterium to unite us, and Protestants don't, leading them to become fragmented into endless denominations? You went off topic.

Revelation, Scripture and Councils, is the ancient Catholic Faith, what Rome has is a travesty. I don't want to offend you or your friends, but to keep quiet would be to associate myself with a terrible deception. In my opinion.
Romanism is a Catholic Sect and has been since Trent!
Further, unity is as lacking in Rome as anywhere else in the Christian Church , Last time I counted there were four popes. I can record at least three Roman Sects in this country alone As for belief? Many Romans believe simply what suits them and if their church's teachings conflict with Roman Injunctions,(See Trent,) they just close their eyes.

 

[Meowzltov]

Last time I counted there were four popes.

Pope Francis is the only Pope, and those in union with him are the only Catholics.

 

[laternonjuror]

Pope Francis is the only Pope, and those in union with him are the only Catholics.

If you said Roman Catholics , I might agree with you, but as it is, what you are saying is simply, an example of private interpretation! However, you are wrong about Pope Francis being the only Pope! When I was at Walsingham on Pilgrimage, I met a gentleman there who was a Pope of the Coptic Church. I was allowed to kiss his hand!

 

[Meowzltov]

If you said Roman Catholics

"Roman Catholic" is slang. Our correct name is Catholic, which is what I said. IOW Roman Catholic and Catholic are interchangeable.

 

[laternonjuror]

"Roman Catholic" is slang. Our correct name is Catholic, which is what I said. IOW Roman Catholic and Catholic are interchangeable.

As I have already told you' the Romanist Churches in my area, all but one, carry the legend Roman Catholic and as I said, in a recent advert regarding my weaker Anglican brothers who wished to Join the Holy Roman Church, the RC CHurch used the Term Holy Roman, which was given out officially in 1564 at Trent! Is this ,'private interpretation?

 

[Meowzltov]

carry the legend Roman Catholic

Yes, many, many Catholics use the slang. It's not a problem. But it doesn't stop Catholic from being the correct term. If you go to the Vatican website, you will find that the term Roman Catholic is never used.

 

[patricius79]

Yes, many, many Catholics use the slang. It's not a problem. But it doesn't stop Catholic from being the correct term. If you go to the Catholic website, you will find that the term Roman Catholic is never used.

I agree. Historically, the early, medieval, and modern Church has always taught Catholic principles and doctrines and has always been called "Catholic".

Augustine comments on this, pointing out that even those practicing private judgment in his day had no doubt what people meant when they asked "where is the Catholic Church?"

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yes, many, many Catholics use the slang. It's not a problem. But it doesn't stop Catholic from being the correct term. If you go to the Catholic website, you will find that the term Roman Catholic is never used.

That is most curious. For a denomination which is otherwise quite circumspect in its parsing of words, I find it strange that it would willfully choose to use a term which is said to be "slang" as a means of identifying itself. There are a large number of church buildings here with signs identifying them as being Roman Catholic. Perhaps they do not belong to your denomination, but are posing by subverting the fullness of the truth.

 

[laternonjuror]

I agree. Historically, the early, medieval, and modern Church has always taught Catholic principles and doctrines and has always been called "Catholic".
Augustine comments on this, pointing out that even those practicing private judgment in his day had no doubt what people meant when they asked "where is the Catholic Church?"

You forget, or perhaps ignore the fact, that Augustine as a member of the Council of Carthage helped contradict the popes teaching, ignored his orders and expelled his legate!

Augustine was an Early Father , just! The split in the Holy Catholic Church came in with the departure of the Calvinists and Lutherans. But there was another hiccup, as they do say, with the papacy organising a Coup, at a illegitimate Council ,usually called Trent. This was when the Roman Church turned itself in to a Catholic Sect, by unnaturaly exalting the Bishop of Rome above his place, which was set by the Nicean Council.
Here, the bishops of Northern Europe resigned their Catholic and apostolic duties on to the shoulder of the Bishop of Rome. Thus breaking Holy Tradition by ignoring the Pauline Injunction of neither adding to or diminishing the content of scripture,I.E. paul's injunction to keep the deposit!.

 

[Armoured]

Do Catholics and Orthodox rely on private interpretation?

Catholics rely on the fact we're correct. I'm not sure what the Orthos rely on. Funny hats seem to feature prominently...

 

[prodromos]

Do Catholics and Orthodox rely on private interpretation?

Catholics rely on the fact we're correct. I'm not sure what the Orthos rely on. Funny hats seem to feature prominently...

Orthodox rely on the fact that Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and His Church shares those attributes by nature of being united with Him.
We also have much cooler hats.

 

[Armoured]

Orthodox rely on the fact that Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and His Church shares those attributes by nature of being united with Him.
We also have much cooler hats.

Oh yeah? Our cool hats'll knock nine colours of snot out of your hats.

 

[prodromos]

Oh yeah? Our cool hats'll knock nine colours of snot out of your hats.

Lol, you seriously do not want to go there.

 

[Albion]

That is most curious. For a denomination which is otherwise quite circumspect in its parsing of words, I find it strange that it would willfully choose to use a term which is said to be "slang" as a means of identifying itself.

Here's the way that works. It's slang and derisive if NON-CATHOLICS use the word (because everyone's out to "get" the Catholic Church, don't you know? That's one way to know that it's the one true and only church). It's entirely correct and fine when the Roman Catholic Church and its people use it.