Do Blacks Vote Democrat to Get "Free Stuff"?

[William67]

 

[Colter]

Calm down dude, the world'll keep spinning. Our public debt is high, but still lower than a lot of other first world countries, like Canada, Austria, France, Iceland, the U.K., Spain, Singapore, Ireland, and Italy (and it's less than a third of Japan's). A "deficit in the hundreds of billions" sounds a lot less scary when you realize the economy is increasing almost exactly as fast as the debt (and the deficit has been shrinking rapidly). A lot of illegal immigrants may be "pouring across the borders," but the same number are leaving the country, because net illegal immigration is at zero.

Meanwhile, look at all the things that are improving. Teenage pregnancy is at an all-time low. Violent crime is at a 40-year-low, and it's more than halved in the last 20 years. Abortion is at a 30-year low. Life expectancy is at an all-time high. Education levels are at record highs. Yeah a few things are going wrong, but most things are awesome.

Yea, they told us to "calm down dude" when we tried in vain to stop the expansion of the CRA! They told us we were racist involved in a "lynching" when we tried to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's sub prime lending simply because Franklin Reins was black!?!?! That idiot actually said that the massive ramp up in residential lending was "riskless"! That haveing 2% net assets in the portfolio was fine?

 

[Colter]

This is what happened when the regulators tried to reform Fannie and Freddie in the lead up to the subprime disaster:

 

[Colter]

This kind of situation is sad to all of us, I feel Love and pity for those beautiful children in a high risk situation. We can assume that some of those kids will repeat the pattern. And with that many kids the mother will receive a large earned income tax credit as well as other benefits that, while it helps, will likely lead to more of the same. It's heartbreaking and frustrating.

Oh, BTW, I live in the south where there are just as many white people like that!!

 

[Arcangl86]

Responsible citizens always have "troubles" when defending principled messages. It's like children rebel at parents as old fashioned and out of touch.......until they grow up and realize the wisdom of their parents. We know that Latinos have been here legally, we know that tens of millions are here illegally and the federal government refuses to stop it and on purpose! We have sanctuary cities that harbor illegals deliberately. In fact we have so many illegal aliens that public services and private businesses all offer (2) language choices.

Oh no, the horror. There are people who speak Spanish instead of English! Look, there aren't "tens of millions" of undocumented people in the United States. The widely accepted number, which has been reached by multiple orginizations with different stances on the issue, is 11-12 million. Even if every single one of those people is Latino, which they are not, the Latino population is 50 million people. Something like 8 1/2 of those are either on or from Puerto Rico, which I should remind you is still a colony. So you can probably see why Latinos have an issue with being broad brushed as "illegals." It's like if we said all white people are crazy murderers.

 

[Colter]

Oh no, the horror. There are people who speak Spanish instead of English! Look, there aren't "tens of millions" of undocumented people in the United States. The widely accepted number, which has been reached by multiple orginizations with different stances on the issue, is 11-12 million. Even if every single one of those people is Latino, which they are not, the Latino population is 50 million people. Something like 8 1/2 of those are either on or from Puerto Rico, which I should remind you is still a colony. So you can probably see why Latinos have an issue with being broad brushed as "illegals." It's like if we said all white people are crazy murderers.

More presumptive emotionalism. I don't mind the Spanish, it just shows the disproportionate number of immigrants over any other nation. The (D)'s know that supporting more amnesty will give them a huge advantage like Reagans amnesty actually helped Obama win:

"King said that 3 million people "received amnesty" under the 1986 law. To that number, he added an additional five people for each newly legalized person, to reflect those legalized under family reunification policies. That means an additional 15 million people. If 71 percent of the combined 18 million Americans voted for Obama, King argued, then Obama benefited from nearly 13 million votes due to the act -- a number that’s a lot bigger than his margin over Mitt Romney of 4.7 million votes. The gap is large enough to cushion any decline due to deaths and departures among 1986 amnesty recipients, something King suggested was a reasonable adjustment to make. "

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Republicans keep making the mistake that if you be "nice" and cave in then they will like you and remember you.

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[Colter]

Christian Science Monitor

The estimate is now 700,000 illegal aliens per year.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0516/p01s02-ussc.html

 

[Arcangl86]

More presumptive emotionalism. I don't mind the Spanish, it just shows the disproportionate number of immigrants over any other nation. The (D)'s know that supporting more amnesty will give them a huge advantage like Reagans amnesty actually helped Obama win:

"King said that 3 million people "received amnesty" under the 1986 law. To that number, he added an additional five people for each newly legalized person, to reflect those legalized under family reunification policies. That means an additional 15 million people. If 71 percent of the combined 18 million Americans voted for Obama, King argued, then Obama benefited from nearly 13 million votes due to the act -- a number that’s a lot bigger than his margin over Mitt Romney of 4.7 million votes. The gap is large enough to cushion any decline due to deaths and departures among 1986 amnesty recipients, something King suggested was a reasonable adjustment to make. "

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Republicans keep making the mistake that if you be "nice" and cave in then they will like you and remember you.

Spanish is the second largest language in the world. As such it should surprise no one that the majority of non English speakers in the US speak Spanish, and like I said before, the vast majority of them are here legally and always have been. There are varieties of Spanish that are unique to the United States because of how long some of these Spanish speaking communities have been here. And I would like to see some quantifiable numbers, or even just the source you quoted to support the assertion that the Reagen amnesty resulted in 15 million immigrants besides the ones that were directly effected. And even if it did, which I doubt, they were here legally. It's like that one report floating around talking about the huge amount of cost associated with undocumented immigrants by including the amount of money spent on American citizens who have an undocumented parent.

 

[Belk]

It never fails. Someone starts a thread "X is an issue you should not do" and someone comes in to provide an object lesson in just such behavior.

 

[Colter]

Spanish is the second largest language in the world. As such it should surprise no one that the majority of non English speakers in the US speak Spanish, and like I said before, the vast majority of them are here legally and always have been. There are varieties of Spanish that are unique to the United States because of how long some of these Spanish speaking communities have been here. And I would like to see some quantifiable numbers, or even just the source you quoted to support the assertion that the Reagen amnesty resulted in 15 million immigrants besides the ones that were directly effected. And even if it did, which I doubt, they were here legally. It's like that one report floating around talking about the huge amount of cost associated with undocumented immigrants by including the amount of money spent on American citizens who have an undocumented parent.

Just my own experience, I live in a small college town in central Virginia that had no discernable Hispanic population 20 years ago. Now we have so many that we have to have bilingual services in everything. 20 years ago one would routinely observe blacks in good paying trade jobs. Now we see Hispanics doing that work.

The quote I provided explained how those Reagan amnesty figures were developed:

"King said that 3 million people "received amnesty" under the 1986 law. To that number, he added an additional five people for each newly legalized person, to reflect those legalized under family reunification policies. That means an additional 15 million people. If 71 percent of the combined 18 million Americans voted for Obama, King argued, then Obama benefited from nearly 13 million votes due to the act -- a number that’s a lot bigger than his margin over Mitt Romney of 4.7 million votes. The gap is large enough to cushion any decline due to deaths and departures among 1986 amnesty recipients, something King suggested was a reasonable adjustment to make. "​

 

[Arcangl86]

Just my own experience, I live in a small college town in central Virginia that had no discernable Hispanic population 20 years ago. Now we have so many that we have to have bilingual services in everything. 20 years ago one would routinely observe blacks in good paying trade jobs. Now we see Hispanics doing that work.

The quote I provided explained how those Reagan amnesty figures were developed:

"King said that 3 million people "received amnesty" under the 1986 law. To that number, he added an additional five people for each newly legalized person, to reflect those legalized under family reunification policies. That means an additional 15 million people. If 71 percent of the combined 18 million Americans voted for Obama, King argued, then Obama benefited from nearly 13 million votes due to the act -- a number that’s a lot bigger than his margin over Mitt Romney of 4.7 million votes. The gap is large enough to cushion any decline due to deaths and departures among 1986 amnesty recipients, something King suggested was a reasonable adjustment to make. "​

Which policies? Does he have actual numbers or just decided to say 5? I'm not seeing anything to say that the numbers weren't arbitrary. And as for your town, 20 years is a long long time. People move around for any number of reasons.

ETA: Found it. Funny how you quoted a Politifact article, but not the final finding of false. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...king-says-ronald-reagans-1986-amnesty-act-le/

 

[Colter]

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Back to the OP, (D)'s have publicly stated their contempt for their own dependent supporters. They exploit what they know to be a general lack of an informed base. Reagan said it best: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/affordable-care-act-architect-on-camera-bashing-american-voters/

"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage, and basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass," Jonathan Gruber said at the Annual Health Economics Conference.​

 

[Colter]

Which policies? Does he have actual numbers or just decided to say 5? I'm not seeing anything to say that the numbers weren't arbitrary. And as for your town, 20 years is a long long time. People move around for any number of reasons.

ETA: Found it. Funny how you quoted a Politifact article, but not the final finding of false. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...king-says-ronald-reagans-1986-amnesty-act-le/

I quoted King's logic from the beginning. Do you read post or disagree before you start?

I was opposed to Reagans amnesty for the very reason that it would give rise to more illegal immigration in hopes of the amnesty that is being discussed now. Also, the feds could NOT be trusted to enforce the border. Reagan was again naïve fro trusting promises.

 

[Arcangl86]

I quoted King's logic from the beginning. Do you read post or disagree before you start?

I was opposed to Reagans amnesty for the very reason that it would give rise to more illegal immigration in hopes of the amnesty that is being discussed now. Also, the feds could NOT be trusted to enforce the border. Reagan was again naïve fro trusting promises.

You mean the logic that was wrong? I had to find the source you quote on my own, and lo and behold, it said the opposite that you were claiming.

 

[Colter]

You mean the logic that was wrong? I had to find the source you quote on my own, and lo and behold, it said the opposite that you were claiming.

This is a silly argument. If you need to win then you can have it. The guy made a claim that amnesty lead to greater support by Hispanics for candidate Obama who wants to do it again. If you feel that's an unreasonable claim then fine.

 

[Arcangl86]

This is a silly argument. If you need to win then you can have it. The guy made a claim that amnesty lead to greater support by Hispanics for candidate Obama who wants to do it again. If you feel that's an unreasonable claim then fine.

I'm not concerned by his claim as I am by the fact that you tried to use it to support your claim that the democrats want to implement an amnesty so that they could get more votes.

 

[Colter]

Hispanics' Support for Obama Climbs After Executive Actions
by Justin McCarthy

December 10, 2014

Story Highlights

• Approval gains 12 points from pre- to post- executive actions
• Among blacks and whites, approval stays about the same
• Hispanics' approval has fluctuated most since Obama took office

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Hispanic Americans' approval of President Barack Obama's job performance is up 12 points, to 64%, since he issued executive actions protecting some immigrants who are living in the U.S. illegally from deportation. Whites' and blacks' ratings of the president did not change meaningfully during this time.

 

[Belk]

Hispanics' Support for Obama Climbs After Executive Actions
by Justin McCarthy

December 10, 2014

Story Highlights

• Approval gains 12 points from pre- to post- executive actions
• Among blacks and whites, approval stays about the same
• Hispanics' approval has fluctuated most since Obama took office

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Hispanic Americans' approval of President Barack Obama's job performance is up 12 points, to 64%, since he issued executive actions protecting some immigrants who are living in the U.S. illegally from deportation. Whites' and blacks' ratings of the president did not change meaningfully during this time.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180005/hispanics-support-obama-climbs-executive-order.aspx

 

[buzuxi02]

Everyone who votes, votes for their own self interests. There is no such thing as the "common good" especially in a pluralistic society. This is why political campaigns concentrate on "focus groups" (to cater to) and even invent new voting blocs for themselves(remember when Lgbtqxyz didnt even exist until politicians told them they were victims).

 

[pakicetus]

Not sure why you posted this. Do you think it's the norm for black people?

On average, black women have 0.2 more children in their lifetimes than white women, and that gap has been closing for decades. Your video isn't representative of welfare mothers either: the average family on welfare includes 1.8 kids, which is pretty far away from 15.

And by the way, we could afford to spend a lot more on childcare if we wanted to. Canada and Japan spend twice what we do on childcare, Western Europe spends three and a half times as much, and the Nordic countries spend five times as much. Denmark and the U.K. spend six times as much. Two thirds of first world countries have universal pre-K. All of them guarantee paid maternity leave, paid vacation, and health insurance for everyone. Poverty in America is almost twice as high as most first world countries, and our child poverty is particularly awful (it's eight times higher than in Denmark and Finland). I'm not angry at how much America's doing to help needy children; I'm angry at how meager our efforts really are. But hey, you found one black woman with fifteen kids; I guess that means we should abandon poor children in general. Or is it just poor black children?