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Do Blacks Vote Democrat to Get "Free Stuff"?

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When asked why most blacks vote Democrat, the most common answer Republicans give is that we want "free stuff." It was even Mitt Romney's explanation for why only 6% of blacks voted for him in 2012 (I have no idea why it's that high). That leaves me gasping—they really can't find a better explanation?

If we just wanted "free stuff," only blacks who couldn't afford that "free stuff" by themselves would vote Democrat—but as a matter of fact, upper- and middle-class blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat too. Blacks with above-average incomes are actually further to the left economically than poor whites.

Most blacks do support the universal availability of some very important things—but for everyone's sake, not just theirs. It's called human solidarity, and it's not unique to black people: Most whites also think everyone should have food, shelter, healthcare, pre-K, and higher education, mostly by huge margins. And let's not forget that we already have "free" fire departments, police departments, roads, bridges, schools, etc., etc. It turns out, "free stuff" is really popular across all racial castes.

Almost all Americans even support means-tested programs like welfare and food stamps—a lot of them just don't know it. 40% of Americans think TANF is the largest part of the federal budget, and the average person thinks Medicaid is 15% of the federal budget, food stamps are 10%, and housing assistance for the poor is 7%. But the actual cost of those programs is much smaller: Medicaid is really around 8%, food stamps are 2%, housing assistance to the poor is 2%, and TANF is 0.4%. And the vast majority of Americans don't want to cut the vastly inflated amounts they think we're spending on them! So basically, even most whites want to expand Medicaid twice over, food stamps fivefold, public housing fourfold, and TANF like fifty times over, without realizing it.

But I don't think the claim is just that blacks want "free stuff"—it usually carries the implication that we don't want to work. It's a popular belief; you can easily find examples of politicians saying it (or for that matter, posters on christianforums). Paul Ryan—who was Mitt Romney's running mate and is now Speaker of the House—complained about "Generations of men in the inner cities not even thinking about working." Buuuut, it turns out there is no epidemic of blacks refusing to work. The labor participation rate is almost the same for blacks as whites. Since the gap is only two percentage points, I bet it wouldn't exist at all if blacks had the same employment opportunities.

What about overwhelming black support for things you have to work for? Over 90% of blacks support guaranteeing paid vacation, paid sick leave, and paid maternity leave, like every other first world country already does (and almost 80% of whites agree with them). 90% of blacks support a $10.10 minimum wage, 80% support a $15 minimum wage, and 50% support a $20 minimum wage (still less than what fast-food workers make in Denmark and Norway). 85% of blacks think the government should provide a job for everyone who can't find employment in the private sector. No one who doesn't want to work would benefit from any of those things.

If the Republican Party wants to know why most blacks vote Democrat, it should try doing some research, or just asking a few black people, instead of defaulting to the first stereotypical explanation that comes to mind.
 
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My first thought is:

NO. Billionaires and corporations "buy" elections for Republicans (no thanks to Citizens United) in order to get "free stuff."

And sadly, the hyper-infusion of big money into politics gives the Koch Brothers more political clout than the entire black vote combined.
 
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I would say overall...no.

There might be a small percentage that votes with the thought in mind "we'll get free stuff", but that's certainly not the majority.

There has been a systematic approach by the left wing media for years now to convey the impression that "the Republican party is the party for the white man, the Democratic party is the party for women & minorities".

Leaders in the Black community like the Sharptons and Jacksons (and I use the term 'leaders' loosely) have reiterated this message numerous times to really drive that idea home as well.

If you look at all presidential elections going back a few decades, the democratic party has always gotten the lion's share of the black vote...typically 80%+.

...and the reality is, neither party has really stepped up in terms of addressing the factors that cause issues in the black community. Republicans have taken the stance of promoting self-reliance (IE: doing nothing about it), Democrats have taken the lip-service approach...saying they're going to do something about it, but not really doing anything meaningful.

The poverty rate in the black community has been between 22% and 30% between 1970 and present day. Averaging around 26%, with some slight peaks and valleys. Over that time period, there have been multiple party shifts in both the oval office, and in the house & senate.

Clearly, neither party has figured out the solution to the problem yet...or the root cause is something outside of the realm things that Washington DC can control.

For me personally, I think the root cause is lack of access to higher education. (it's one of the very few places I'll stray from the libertarian platform). Nearly a dozen other nations have implemented free (to the student) public post-secondary education, and have seen dramatic reductions in poverty in their minority and underprivileged communities.

I'm typically not for government spending programs, however, given the success other nations have seen with it, paying $12,000 to get someone a marketable skill vs. paying them $10k+ per year for decades in benefits...I think it's at least worth a try.
 
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And sadly, the hyper-infusion of big money into politics gives the Koch Brothers more political clout than the entire black vote combined.

For the record, billionaires buy elections for everyone.

The black vote wouldn't be the accurate counterpart to the Koch brothers...that would be George Soros (who's political spending to the political-left is right up there with what the Koch brothers dish out)
 
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When asked why most blacks vote Democrat, the most common answer Republicans...(or for that matter, posters on christianforums)...

Why do you keep trying to pick this fight?
 
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If the Republican Party wants to know why most blacks vote Democrat, it should try doing some research, or just asking a few black people, instead of defaulting to the first stereotypical explanation that comes to mind.

What if after doing the research one comes up with the same answer?
 
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Why do you keep trying to pick this fight?
People who say racist/ignorant things are picking the fight; I'm just responding to them.

So far, almost every Republican-leaning poster has responded to my last two threads by getting annoyed that I'd refute the Republican Party's misconceptions about black people, as if "troublemakers" who point out its ignorance are a bigger problem than the ignorance itself. They have a chance to condemn the racist myths I'm refuting; instead they choose to attack the messenger.
 
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I'm black and I do work, and I don't vote for Republicans. And I could be the richest man on the planet and I'm not voting for Republicans.

The stereotypical answer is the easiest one. It's easier to say that the voting habits of a demographic are the result of their personality flaws and being "brainwashed" rather than the part your party played in alienating them.
 
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Are you saying that the "stereotypical" answer has no basis?
It has no basis whatsoever. Like I said in the OP, rich black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat, as do middle class blacks, as do poor blacks. Blacks who receive welfare or food stamps overwhelmingly vote Democrat, but so do blacks who don't. Over 90% of blacks usually vote Democrat. You can't make a 90% consensus out of just one demographic of black people (blacks who want to get "free stuff" but don't otherwise agree with the Democratic Party's ideology). Maybe if only 15% of blacks were voting Democrat you'd have an argument.

And by the way, if you're poor, voting Democrat to get free stuff isn't a bad thing. You can talk about bootstraps all you want, but people need to be able to feed their families. They need a roof over their heads; they need healthcare. The Republican Party normally says "Well if you're poor you can just work your way up to respectability!" but people who need basic necessities now shouldn't be content with a prophecy that they'll have them at some point in the future.
 
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People who say racist/ignorant things are picking the fight; I'm just responding to them.

But the evidence you predominantly use is other people saying other people said racist or ignorant things. You are just promoting a stereotype.
 
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I do not know of anyone that feels as if working hard WILL get you things. Equal OPPONITY does not mean EQUAL OUTCOME. However, failing to work hard usually will NOT lead to success.
 
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I do not know of anyone that feels as if working hard WILL get you things. Equal OPPONITY does not mean EQUAL OUTCOME. However, failing to work hard usually will NOT lead to success.
...did you just accuse blacks of being lazy?
 
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But the evidence you predominantly use is other people saying other people said racist or ignorant things. You are just promoting a stereotype.
If I can promote a stereotype using facts, maybe that stereotype is accurate.

Are you going to criticize anyone else for believing easily disprovable racist myths or are you just going to criticize me for refuting them?
 
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...did you just accuse blacks of being lazy?
Not all blacks are lazy no. I user on here once said lazy does not have a color. This applies to blacks,whites ANY race.
 
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If I can promote a stereotype using facts, maybe that stereotype is accurate.

Are you going to criticize anyone else for believing easily disprovable racist myths or are you just going to criticize me for refuting them?
Well, for one thing when anything is in the media then those people have to work very hard to prove people wrong.
 
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My first thought is:

NO. Billionaires and corporations "buy" elections for Republicans (no thanks to Citizens United) in order to get "free stuff."

And sadly, the hyper-infusion of big money into politics gives the Koch Brothers more political clout than the entire black vote combined.

I think a citation to substantiate this is needed
 
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