Do Baptists appear to be intellectually challenged baboons...?

[Hammster]

Did you read the article? It is nothing more than a dishonest ploy to deceive the public by arguing that Genesis 1:1-2:3 is written in a narrative genre rather than a poetic genre and therefore (but not really!) an accurate account of historic events. Of course Genesis 1:1-2:3 is written in a narrative genre rather than a poetic genre, and any bright high school student can readily see that for himself by simply reading the text. That is not the issue—the issue is which narrative genre Genesis 1:1-2:3 is written in. Genesis 1:1-2:3 is written in the same narrative genre as that the whole of the first eleven chapters of Genesis—but nowhere else in the Bible!

As has already been posted more than once in this thread, and can be easily verified by reading the contemporary literature on the Hebrew text of Genesis, today’s scholars of Genesis agree that the narrative genre of the whole of the first eleven chapters of Genesis is one of three types: a series of myths, legends, or epic tales. For a discussion of these three forms of the narrative genre, and why none of them contradicts the inspiration of Scripture, see my posts above in this thread.

The Institute for Creation Research knows this, but they do not want you to know it. Therefore, they have employed the dishonest and deceptive tactic of arguing against the proverbial straw man hoping that their readers will fall for it instead of studying the Hebrew text of Genesis for themselves.

What the heck do we know? We're just intellectually challenged baboons.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

PrincetonGuy, if Scripture must agree with findings in Science, i.e. Science is always right and Scripture is wrong if it contradicts findings in Science, how far would you carry that belief? If Science said that people cannot be raised from the dead, would you believe the Holy Bible or Science?

In order for any interpretation of the Bible to be correct, it must be in harmony with all of the relevant data—including the relevant data from science. The data from science tells us that once man has irreversibly died, he cannot be brought back to life without a miracle taking place. The Bible tells us the same thing. Therefore, I believe both science and the Bible.

 

[phoenixdem]

What the heck do we know? We're just intellectually challenged baboons.

Sometimes, that isn't a bad thing.

 

[phoenixdem]

In order for any interpretation of the Bible to be correct, it must be in harmony with all of the relevant data—including the relevant data from science. The data from science tells us that once man has irreversibly died, he cannot be brought back to life without a miracle taking place. The Bible tells us the same thing. Therefore, I believe both science and the Bible.

So, you are saying that Science allows for miracles? What happened to the Scientific Method?

 

[joshua41]

So, you are saying that Science allows for miracles? What happened to the Scientific Method?

If you push on a wall, according to quantum mechanics, there is a small chance that you will actually go through the wall. I mean--there are also lots of weird predictions brought on by quantum mechanics that do allow for incredible things to happen.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

If you push on a wall, according to quantum mechanics, there is a small chance that you will actually go through the wall. I mean--there are also lots of weird predictions brought on by quantum mechanics that do allow for incredible things to happen.

It is even possible, given science, that everthing was created about six thousand years ago; instantly. and it just randomly looks like an old universe.

It's just highly improbable given that there is no doubt that gen 1-11ish are tribal stories collected and re-interpreted in order to explain the power and majesty of our God.

 

[phoenixdem]

It is even possible, given science, that everthing was created about six thousand years ago; instantly. and it just randomly looks like an old universe.

It's just highly improbable given that there is no doubt that gen 1-11ish are tribal stories collected and re-interpreted in order to explain the power and majesty of our God.

However, even scientists believe in miracles. The Holy Bible tells us it did happen. Therefore, it is a valid miracle.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

However, even scientists believe in miracles. The Holy Bible tells us it did happen. Therefore, it is a valid miracle.

Huh?

You do know that there are a number of literary traditions collected in the bible and while all of them are good for learning and rebuke not all of them are meant as literal physical histories.

And because the Holy Bible tells us these as non-literal stories they are, therefore, not historical record of the literal miracle that was creation.

 

[Yekcidmij]

If you push on a wall, according to quantum mechanics, there is a small chance that you will actually go through the wall. I mean--there are also lots of weird predictions brought on by quantum mechanics that do allow for incredible things to happen.

Well, it's not really that way. There is a small probability for an individual particle to 'tunnel' through some barrier, but there is really no chance that all of the particles that compose your body would all tunnel through a barrier at the same time. We must be careful when trying to carry over the implications for subatomic particles to the macro world in which we live.

YouTube - Dumb and Dumber 'There's a Chance'

 

[Hupomone10]

The OP gave us right out of the gate the major reason for believing the literal story of evolution rather than the literal story of creation: so as not to appear as a baboon.

If you care at all what people think of you and what you think of yourself, if you have any intellectual pride, you will believe what scientists tell you and go by appearances, not what the Word of God says. How we are perceived by others is what matters.

Blessings,
H.

 

[phoenixdem]

The OP gave us right out of the gate the major reason for believing the literal story of evolution rather than the literal story of creation: so as not to appear as a baboon.

If you care at all what people think of you and what you think of yourself, if you have any intellectual pride, you will believe what scientists tell you and go by appearances, not what the Word of God says. How we are perceived by others is what matters.

Blessings,
H.

There are many Christians who don't care about the perceptions of others. That seems to be what you are saying as well. I happily take the title of baboon rather than deny God. When I stand before God, I will have enough that will burn.

 

[Mikecpking]

My Master's Degree is in English, not geology. There is no missing link and Evolution is a theory. Using the Scientific Method, Evolutionists haven't proven anything except in their imagination. I believe in the literal translation of the Holy Bible.

So, your masters degree in English qualifies you to state that all Geologists 'have it wrong'. Do you drive a car? Probaly yes, and praise the Lord for Geologists who find the oil to run it. Where do you think all that oil came from?

Now, I am a bible believing Christian too, and I have also studied theology.

So, I ask you again:

What is the value of pi according to the bible?

Do you think talking trees are literal?

What do you think a soul is?

How can we see a galaxy with our own eyes that is 2.5 million light years away which God created billions of years ago after he spoke the universe into existence from nothing (the big bang)?

 

[DanuckInUSA]

Precisely the point. We can never hope to grasp the immensity of God so the Bible gives us the truth we need to know.

 

[Mikecpking]

Precisely the point. We can never hope to grasp the immensity of God so the Bible gives us the truth we need to know.

And in at least 4 places in his word, he encpourages us to study his creation and embrace science.

 

[phoenixdem]

So, your masters degree in English qualifies you to state that all Geologists 'have it wrong'. Do you drive a car? Probaly yes, and praise the Lord for Geologists who find the oil to run it. Where do you think all that oil came from?

Now, I am a bible believing Christian too, and I have also studied theology.

So, I ask you again:

What is the value of pi according to the bible?

Do you think talking trees are literal?

What do you think a soul is?

How can we see a galaxy with our own eyes that is 2.5 million light years away which God created billions of years ago after he spoke the universe into existence from nothing (the big bang)?

Have I ever, at any time, stated my education qualifies me for anything? Ever? Come on, you can answer this.

Again, has the missing link been found and has Science ever changed the Theory of Evolution to an established fact? When you can tell me when Science is qualified to speak on matters of theology, I will answer your questions.

 

[phoenixdem]

And in at least 4 places in his word, he encpourages us to study his creation and embrace science.

References, please.

 

[Mikecpking]

References, please.

Proverbs 25:2
Psalm 8:3
Ecclesiates 1:13
1 Kings 4:33

Also Psalm 104
Job 36:24-37:22

 

[Mikecpking]

Have I ever, at any time, stated my education qualifies me for anything? Ever? Come on, you can answer this.

Again, has the missing link been found and has Science ever changed the Theory of Evolution to an established fact? When you can tell me when Science is qualified to speak on matters of theology, I will answer your questions.

Evolution has stacks of evidence and the fact that life on planet earth has changed through the geological record is evidence enough. This is the way God does things in his creation.

And now, please answer my questions? These are biblical ones.

 

[phoenixdem]

Proverbs 25:2
Psalm 8:3
Ecclesiates 1:13
1 Kings 4:33

Also Psalm 104
Job 36:24-37:22

Proverbs 25:2 Yes, the King must determine the truthfulness or falseness in those matters he must know to rule in a righteous manner. This verse isn’t permission to rule against the Scripture.

Psalm 8:3 Taken out of context. Read the next verse. The Psalmist is considering the greatness of God.,

Ecclesiates 1:13 Taken out of context. The subject is human affairs, not how the Universe works.


1 Kings 4:33 He is speaking about the things that God gave him knowledge of. Solomon was the wisest person in the world.

Also Psalm 104 The entire Psalm is about God and His glorious Creation. What does this Chapter have to do with what you said?


Job 36:24-37:22 Didn’t you think that I would look at your references? These verses speak to the glory of God and the limitations of man.

 

[phoenixdem]

Evolution has stacks of evidence and the fact that life on planet earth has changed through the geological record is evidence enough. This is the way God does things in his creation.

And now, please answer my questions? These are biblical ones.

Now, you want to throw out the rules by which Science lives? If the Theory of Evolution is now proven fact, why hasn't the Scientific Community changed the Theory of Evolution to Evolution established fact?

You do know, I'm sure that the Scriptures aren't intended to teach mankind that he evolved from the great apes.The Scriptures tell man about the Creation of the Universe, the fall of man, and the Lord Jesus Christ's redemption of fallen man.

What does the value of pi have to do with the intended purpose of the Scriptures? Are you saying that God cannot speak to those things He created? I certainly won't say that. Look at a good concordance at the references cited regarding the soul. I think the soul is that part of man that doesn't die in the manner that the corruptable body dies.