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Hi Joshua,
No! I think that science is using false data to arrive at false conclusions. However, proving that it is false data to start with is a difficult task now some 6,000 years later.
You see, I know that the first rule of science is that there are no such things as miracles. Everything has a logical, natural explanation. That is the creed of science. The job of science is to find that logical, natural explanation based on the evidence at hand today.
Now, let's start with the first basic given of the Scriptures about this creation. It is a miracle. Science will never be able to explain how a deep sea parted to allow thousands of people to pass through safely and then within certainly mere hours closed back in and swallowed an entire army that was crossing behind in hot pursuit.
Science will never be able to explain how the sun stood still for basically an entire day. Science will never be able to explain how, within 40 days the entire globe was covered with water to a depth of at least 20 feet at the highest point on the earth. Science will never be able to explain how a young woman who had never had sexual relations with a man came up to be pregnant. Now, in todays world that last one has to be qualified by the knowledge of the day, because today a woman can come up pregnant without having sexual relations, but it still requires some doctor to place in the womb an already fertilized zygot.
Science can not answer for us any reasonable and logical explanations for these events. It is my claim that because of the very definition of miracle, if, IF believers believe that the creation was a miracle at any time on any level, then we are being foolish even to consider that science will ever be able to give us the answers that we seek. It the creation is a miracle, whether I'm right that it happened 6,000 years ago or you're right that it happened billions of years ago, then we should understand by the very definition of a miracle that it will never be explainable to us through science. They are two opposing, contradictory fields of explanation.
Now, because science begins by throwing out the possibility of a miracle, they are forced, yes forced to give us some explanation based on observable evidence that we can prove today. For example: We know today that light travels at a given speed and we know that, based on this evidence, that the stars must be some really old age because of the mere 'fact' that we can see them. But, BUT, if the creation is a miracle, then just like God can make the sun stand still in the sky for nearly a day; just like God can make a sea part so that thousands upon thousands, maybe even a million people can pass through, and then within the time that an army can pursue them, that they can see following behind them, close up and drown them. Just like God can reach down, through His Holy Spirit and lovingly place in the womb of a young woman who has never had sexual relations a living zygot that would become the temple of flesh for His Son; that God, yes that God when He said, "Let there be light!" could have made the entire universe suddenly and instantly flooded with light.
The basic premise, friend, is that science can not ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be able to explain miracles. It is not a miracle if there is some reasonable, logical scientific explanation for an event. If science can explain the creation, then it is not a miracle!! If it is not a miracle, then who is this God we proclaim to have great power, majesty, wisdom and love.
Here's the short version of my faith.
Some 6,000 years ago God created this entire realm of creation. He had already created by His same power and authority the angelic realm in which there are angels who stand around his throne day and night proclaiming to Him who lives forever, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty." He created all of this realm for the express purpose and foreknowledge of providing a place in which flesh could live. When He completed the construction of our home, from the most distant star at one end of the universe to the most distant star at the other, He took some dirt and by His royal authority formed it into a creature that He called man and breathed life into that man.
That first man and woman, that He also created by His hand to be the first man's helpmate, sinned. They disobeyed God's command that would have kept them from knowing good and evil and, therefore, evil was released upon this creation. He allowed mankind to continue to grow and to flourish, but soon saw that all the ways of men was nothing but wickedness, evil and pain that we visited upon one another. His creation, rather than being a place of peace and nurturing love between Him and the creatures of flesh that He had created for a relationship with Him, became a place of sorrow and death and sadness. In anger He destroyed it all, but did make provision to start over through Noah.
A very short time after Noah and his descendants began to resettle the earth, God began working on a great and miraculous plan whereby He could still allow His creatures of flesh to grow and flourish in whatever way they chose in their hearts to go, but would save some to carry over to a new heaven and a new earth that He would again create by His power, authority, majesty and wisdom. He called a man named Abram of Ur, and began working through him to raise up a nation of people among the people of the earth who would do His bidding. They were to be the scribes who would record on scrolls and parchment the written instructions and information that future generations of flesh would need in order to know Him.
God dealt strictly through these descendents of Abraham, just as He had promised Abraham, that they would be a blessing to all mankind. After God caused the various prophets and scribes to record all that He wanted future generations to know, and He even 'proved' that He was the true God by interspersing throughout these revelatory writings hundreds of prophecies that we could see fulfilled so that when you or I were to ask ourself, "Hmmm, I wonder who the real god is?" We would see that this one God of the Israelites knew the future in everything that He foretold His people.
Friend, you can study every religion on the face of the earth and there is not a one that can come even close to matching the fulfilled prophecies of the Jewish Scriptures. As a matter of fact, there aren't any relgions, other than those that have branched from Judaism (Islam,etc.) that have any fulfilled prophecies. Most relgions tell you of a good way to live, but there is no such 'proof' that the proscribed way to live of that religion has come from someone who 'knows' the future. God says of Himself, "I know the beginning from the end," and then proves it.
Anyway, God works for some 1400 years with the descendents of Abraham to have His revelation to us completed and then delivers on His promise of one who would redeem us from our sin. Praise God in His highest heaven!!!!
So, friend, this creation is not some natural, logical, scientific progression of matter and events. NO!!!!!! A resounding NO!!!!!!!! This creation is the hand of God working to build a different realm of creatures that He can love, nurture and care for and who will love Him back in return. Who will know and agree that it is by His hand that we have life. It is by His design that there is oxygen in the atmosphere that will sustain us in life that we might breath in and exhale out and continue to live and to love in a relationship with our Creator. THAT IS WHAT THIS CREATION IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!!
If you read the last chapters of the Revelation you will see that a time is going to come when God will once again call mankind and all the angelic realm to justice. He will cast all the disobedient angels and all the disobedient people on the earth away from Him and He has told us that He will stand before those who remain and declare, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Today, my friend, you and I are living in that time of God's patience that Peter wrote about. He is waiting patiently for those who would believe to be fulfilled. He knows the number; He knows the time.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
No! I think that science is using false data to arrive at false conclusions. However, proving that it is false data to start with is a difficult task now some 6,000 years later.
You see, I know that the first rule of science is that there are no such things as miracles. Everything has a logical, natural explanation. That is the creed of science. The job of science is to find that logical, natural explanation based on the evidence at hand today.
Now, let's start with the first basic given of the Scriptures about this creation. It is a miracle. Science will never be able to explain how a deep sea parted to allow thousands of people to pass through safely and then within certainly mere hours closed back in and swallowed an entire army that was crossing behind in hot pursuit.
Science will never be able to explain how the sun stood still for basically an entire day. Science will never be able to explain how, within 40 days the entire globe was covered with water to a depth of at least 20 feet at the highest point on the earth. Science will never be able to explain how a young woman who had never had sexual relations with a man came up to be pregnant. Now, in todays world that last one has to be qualified by the knowledge of the day, because today a woman can come up pregnant without having sexual relations, but it still requires some doctor to place in the womb an already fertilized zygot.
Science can not answer for us any reasonable and logical explanations for these events. It is my claim that because of the very definition of miracle, if, IF believers believe that the creation was a miracle at any time on any level, then we are being foolish even to consider that science will ever be able to give us the answers that we seek. It the creation is a miracle, whether I'm right that it happened 6,000 years ago or you're right that it happened billions of years ago, then we should understand by the very definition of a miracle that it will never be explainable to us through science. They are two opposing, contradictory fields of explanation.
Now, because science begins by throwing out the possibility of a miracle, they are forced, yes forced to give us some explanation based on observable evidence that we can prove today. For example: We know today that light travels at a given speed and we know that, based on this evidence, that the stars must be some really old age because of the mere 'fact' that we can see them. But, BUT, if the creation is a miracle, then just like God can make the sun stand still in the sky for nearly a day; just like God can make a sea part so that thousands upon thousands, maybe even a million people can pass through, and then within the time that an army can pursue them, that they can see following behind them, close up and drown them. Just like God can reach down, through His Holy Spirit and lovingly place in the womb of a young woman who has never had sexual relations a living zygot that would become the temple of flesh for His Son; that God, yes that God when He said, "Let there be light!" could have made the entire universe suddenly and instantly flooded with light.
The basic premise, friend, is that science can not ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be able to explain miracles. It is not a miracle if there is some reasonable, logical scientific explanation for an event. If science can explain the creation, then it is not a miracle!! If it is not a miracle, then who is this God we proclaim to have great power, majesty, wisdom and love.
Here's the short version of my faith.
Some 6,000 years ago God created this entire realm of creation. He had already created by His same power and authority the angelic realm in which there are angels who stand around his throne day and night proclaiming to Him who lives forever, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty." He created all of this realm for the express purpose and foreknowledge of providing a place in which flesh could live. When He completed the construction of our home, from the most distant star at one end of the universe to the most distant star at the other, He took some dirt and by His royal authority formed it into a creature that He called man and breathed life into that man.
That first man and woman, that He also created by His hand to be the first man's helpmate, sinned. They disobeyed God's command that would have kept them from knowing good and evil and, therefore, evil was released upon this creation. He allowed mankind to continue to grow and to flourish, but soon saw that all the ways of men was nothing but wickedness, evil and pain that we visited upon one another. His creation, rather than being a place of peace and nurturing love between Him and the creatures of flesh that He had created for a relationship with Him, became a place of sorrow and death and sadness. In anger He destroyed it all, but did make provision to start over through Noah.
A very short time after Noah and his descendants began to resettle the earth, God began working on a great and miraculous plan whereby He could still allow His creatures of flesh to grow and flourish in whatever way they chose in their hearts to go, but would save some to carry over to a new heaven and a new earth that He would again create by His power, authority, majesty and wisdom. He called a man named Abram of Ur, and began working through him to raise up a nation of people among the people of the earth who would do His bidding. They were to be the scribes who would record on scrolls and parchment the written instructions and information that future generations of flesh would need in order to know Him.
God dealt strictly through these descendents of Abraham, just as He had promised Abraham, that they would be a blessing to all mankind. After God caused the various prophets and scribes to record all that He wanted future generations to know, and He even 'proved' that He was the true God by interspersing throughout these revelatory writings hundreds of prophecies that we could see fulfilled so that when you or I were to ask ourself, "Hmmm, I wonder who the real god is?" We would see that this one God of the Israelites knew the future in everything that He foretold His people.
Friend, you can study every religion on the face of the earth and there is not a one that can come even close to matching the fulfilled prophecies of the Jewish Scriptures. As a matter of fact, there aren't any relgions, other than those that have branched from Judaism (Islam,etc.) that have any fulfilled prophecies. Most relgions tell you of a good way to live, but there is no such 'proof' that the proscribed way to live of that religion has come from someone who 'knows' the future. God says of Himself, "I know the beginning from the end," and then proves it.
Anyway, God works for some 1400 years with the descendents of Abraham to have His revelation to us completed and then delivers on His promise of one who would redeem us from our sin. Praise God in His highest heaven!!!!
So, friend, this creation is not some natural, logical, scientific progression of matter and events. NO!!!!!! A resounding NO!!!!!!!! This creation is the hand of God working to build a different realm of creatures that He can love, nurture and care for and who will love Him back in return. Who will know and agree that it is by His hand that we have life. It is by His design that there is oxygen in the atmosphere that will sustain us in life that we might breath in and exhale out and continue to live and to love in a relationship with our Creator. THAT IS WHAT THIS CREATION IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!!
If you read the last chapters of the Revelation you will see that a time is going to come when God will once again call mankind and all the angelic realm to justice. He will cast all the disobedient angels and all the disobedient people on the earth away from Him and He has told us that He will stand before those who remain and declare, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Today, my friend, you and I are living in that time of God's patience that Peter wrote about. He is waiting patiently for those who would believe to be fulfilled. He knows the number; He knows the time.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
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