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When some evidence points towards either of them being real, then I'd begin to maybe take it seriously, otherwise, I'll keep on living how I want to live, as opposed to how an outdated book tells me to.
Personal Isolation
^^ That. I don't need a book to tell me that it's a bad idea to murder my neighbour. I can pretty much figure that out myself, thank you very much.
^^ That. I don't need a book to tell me that it's a bad idea to murder my neighbour. I can pretty much figure that out myself, thank you very much.
we'd have to keep locking those people up untill we got rid of them all.what if you couldnt
what if you couldnt
Then I would have to figure out if a god exists, and if the bible represents this god´s word.what if you couldnt
what if you couldnt
what if you couldnt
Chemical soup bowl of lets say medicine"Nothing comes from nothing"
Including God?
It is actually interesting that you say that, because the only people who believe something came from nothing is those who are religious. Evolutionists see the gradual slope to where we are now, where Christians believe that God just instantly made it this way.
God can NOT precede God. No being could possibly have been here forever. Think about what it would take for a being who has always been to get to where we are (in time) right now. Negative Infinity is not a place any being can get to... and anyone who is there must travel through infinity (which by definition never ends) to get here. Which means that God either came from something (from nothing), or does not exist.
---Christians believe that God came into existence (a being more complex than us), then created us.
---Atheists believe that we came into existence.
Just like it is more unlikely for bacteria to form randomly verses a human. It is also more unlikely that God formed verses a human.
Science is now showing the world how the following is unnecessary:
Nothing ---> God ---> Us
Instead, it could (more easily btw) be:
Chemicals ---> Explosion ---> Billions of years + Evolution = Us
One creates a gradual slope, and the other is just <boom> existence.
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Separate question more related to this thread:
How do Christians believe in Objective Morality?
In the Bible, there is a perfect example of this which are only a few verses apart. Go to where the ten commandments were brought down from Mt. Sinai. Moses brings down these great 'moral' teachings, one of which says 'thou shall not kill'. When he gets to the bottom of the mountain, he sees people worshiping a golden calf, so he smashes the tablets and demands that they kill each other. Does this mean that even Christian morality is subjective?
At least try to be consistent. It is a contradiction to say God is all loving and moral AND has the power to intervene OR knew what he was creating. That is just incoherent and if you believe that then your cognitive faculties are on holiday.
When Christians attribute all this perfection (a human version that is) to God and then say God is accountable and that God can intervene and is omnipotent and and and, they are being illogical. They are ignoring the reality of human nature. They are ignoring nature in general. And if you say that evil is mental illness then I am inclined to call these folks mentally ill: if one goes through life holding incoherent beliefs and ignoring reality then what should that be called?
That's all very righteous of you and I'm sure you feel better for having publicly praised your emotional icon but you are being very arrogant here by presuming that because you don't understand how life came to be by natural mechanisms that no one can understand it.
You are also being bigoted by implying that one has to believe in a super-being in order to enjoy the wonder of life.
And you are trying to use referent power by name-dropping Einstein and associating him with your personal God. For a start, scientists don't give a wet slap about Einstein's, Newton's, Feynman's or Misses Jones philosophical opinions down at the fish shop. Unlike religion, science is not about famous peoples' opinions. Secondly, the way you talk about your God does not match how Einstein referred to God. So don't put words into his mouth.
Now you have got me in a mood!
Chemical soup bowl of lets say medicine. can the right amount of temperature be sustained or to lets say brought to a boil then to a nuke warm? Takes thought? the right amount of this an that blah blah blah happen a billion/trillion times? Oh an the magically fell into a pool of water? Did it have the right salt content too? In a Lab with the best minds we can't reduplicate random complexity!
Is it moral to deal with something at the end when you have the power to deal with it now and instead choose not to? Especially if by dealing with it now you could alleviate suffering in the future?You merely have a different definition of what moral is.
Christendom believes that the rewards and punishments of life come after death; when an unjust things occur on this world, when there is an 'immoral' thing, it will be dealt with at the end.
Chemical soup bowl of lets say medicine. can the right amount of temperature be sustained or to lets say brought to a boil then to a nuke warm? Takes thought? the right amount of this an that blah blah blah happen a billion/trillion times? Oh an the magically fell into a pool of water? Did it have the right salt content too? In a Lab with the best minds we can't reduplicate random complexity! Then to say life just came into existence.....bacteria! Takes more faith than I've got!
The complexity of science which is after the fact and we can't see that even as thoughtful as we are there has to be thought behind it all! To be able to put all the random stuff together....needless to say where anything comes from in the first place. To which we take for grant it or assume any how. I go to build a house or even to say a solar panel. I first have to have space. Second The time to build it. Third the material to which to build it. Four the energy to build it! Energy is a good one.... we have to have food for energy? Do you know what one gallon of gas is per man hour?......time saved? Let say compared to a chain saw and axe or hand saw? (500hrs to 1)You haven't read this I take it?
DailyTech - Study: Protected by Ice, RNA Could Generate, Evolve Into Life
They managed to get stuff to happen in a lab. A very interesting take on the matter. That is just one, there are many more just look for them.
The complexity of science which is after the fact and we can't see that even as thoughtful as we are there has to be thought behind it all! To be able to put all the random stuff together....needless to say where anything comes from in the first place. To which we take for grant it or assume any how. I go to build a house or even to say a solar panel. I first have to have space. Second The time to build it. Third the material to which to build it. Four the energy to build it! Energy is a good one.... we have to have food for energy? Do you know what one gallon of gas is per man hour?......time saved? Let say compared to a chain saw and axe or hand saw? (500hrs to 1)
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