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Depends on your meaning of dogma. The difference between Christian churches in particular the Roman and Eastern churches are quite different.Do all of the various Orthodox Churches agree on the Christian dogmas of faith? Without a central command (like the Pope) how do the various churches resolve conflicts?
What conflicts?Cary.Melvin said:Without a central command (like the Pope) how do the various churches resolve conflicts?
Cary.Melvin said:Do all of the various Orthodox Churches agree on the Christian dogmas of faith? Without a central command (like the Pope) how do the various churches resolve conflicts?
Do the various Patriarchs meet somewhere to discuss these things (like a council)? And are Bishops bound by the orders of thier Patriarch?
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Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.
MattMMMan17 said:You know Elizabeth, from 600 A.D. - 1054 we were truly one Church. So everyone martyred for the Church during those times are considered martyred for the Catholic Church as well, since we were once one.
From 861-886 the first open clash took place between the Eastern and Western Churches. In Constantinople there were two political parties struggling for power.
To settle a dispute between these two parties and to provide a church leader which both groups could respect and would accept, a layman named Photius was elevated to the partriarchal office. Although Photius was the one candidate upon whom both parties could agree, the extremists of the so- called conservative party were not satisfied. They appealed to Rome, using the good name of the former patriarch Ignatius - who had peaceably retired for the good of the Church - against Photius and the imperial government which confirmed his election. Pope Nicholas seized the opportunity of this extremist appeal to interfere in the affairs of the Constantinopolitan Church, calling a council in that city in 861 to settle the dispute. When the papal legates came to the council they saw that Photius was the rightful patriarch, and all was happily settled. However, when the legates returned to Rome, Pope Nicholas rejected their decision, and held another council, this time in Rome in 863, at which he proclaimed Ignatius as the bishop of Constantinople, thus deposing Photius. His actions were ignored.
In 866 and 867 the Bulgarian Church was fluctuating between Constantinople and Rome. In 867 Photius and a council of five hundred bishops in Constantinople condemned Pope Nicholas for interfering in the affairs of the Bulgarian Church. In this same year there was another internal political conflict in Constantinople. When Basil I became emperor, Photius resigned as bishop for the sake of unity. For political reasons Ignatius was reinstated. In 869 Pope Hadrian II, the successor of Nicholas, excommunicated Photius again for his role in the Bulgarian affair. In 877 Photius, who was not in disfavor with the new emperor, again became patriarch when the venerable Ignatius died.
In 879 a huge council took place in Constantinople, once again with papal legates in attendance. At this council, presided over by Photius, the traditional privileges of the Pope of Rome in the East were clarified by Photius and accepted by John VIII who was the new pope. The councils of 863 and 869 which condemned Photius were declared null and void. The council of 787 was accepted as the seventh ecumenical council. The creed was affirmed without the filioque.
Photius was officially canonized a saint by the Orthodox Church in the tenth century. He was a man of many talents. He was a great theologian who wrote extensively, particularly on the question of the filioque by defending the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father alone. He was a compiler of classical and patristic writings. He sponsored the mission to the Slavs. He defended the authentic Church Tradition in confrontation with the Roman claims invented by Nicholas, while ultimately preserving unity with the Roman Church and Pope John VIII. He was an excellent diplomat in political affairs, with personal humility and wisdom which earned him the respect of good-willed persons of all parties in East and West. Saint Photius was one of the truly great bishops in Christian Church history.
I used 600 AD in response to the following claim made by Elizabeth. . .Montalban said:I don't mean to quibble, but why do you pick 600A.D., surely you mean from Pentecost when the Church (common to us both) was founded.
Chanter said:Catholics question why Orthodoxy is not so prevalent in the world. It's because we have suffered so much at the hands of muslims and communists who have martyred hundreds of millions of Orthodox Christians since 600 AD. I think all totalled, the Orthodox Church has more martyrs than the Catholic Church.
I think you misinterpret what I meant. The Church was the same Church since Pentecost up until Schism. That is common knowledge. This Means that from 600 AD UP UNTIL schism, those martyrs were martyred for the ONE Church, not the "Orthodox" Church (as it's known today) alone.Oblio said:600 AD speaks to the start of persecution by muslims, not the start of the Church.
The ONE Church never ceased existing just because branches fell off from it. The Faith has been preserved throughout the ages untainted within the Holy Orthodox Church, which is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The ONE Church is not broken, but remains now as it was then and will forever.MattMMMan17 said:I think you misinterpret what I meant. The Church was the same Church since Pentecost up until Schism. That is common knowledge. This Means that from 600 AD UP UNTIL schism, those martyrs were martyred for the ONE Church, not the "Orthodox" Church (as it's known today) alone.
I don't know why none of you are understanding what I'm saying, but I will attempt to reword it one last time. Photini, you are focusing on semantics, regardless, the point is that the martyrs to which Chanter was referring to were martyred for the one Church UNDER ONE FAITH, thereby leaving them as martyrs for both Orthodox Church and Catholic Church under the Roman See. Which makes the idea that the Orthodox Faith has had more martyrs for your faith(on THAT basis) a ridiculous claim.Photini said:The ONE Church never ceased existing just because branches fell off from it. The Faith has been preserved throughout the ages untainted within the Holy Orthodox Church, which is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The ONE Church is not broken, but remains now as it was then and will forever.
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