Do aborted infants go to heaven?

[doctorwho29]

It is not a different topic. Every word of Scripture is divinely inspired and guided by the hand of God. The messages are, at heart, consistent. The Bible does not, ever, give any indication of children going to Hell.

 

[trophy33]

It is not a different topic. Every word of Scripture is divinely inspired and guided by the hand of God. The messages are, at heart, consistent. The Bible does not, ever, give any indication of children going to Hell.

You cannot say that somebody said what he did not say or meant what he did not mean.

 

[doctorwho29]

So God can't use David's words, regardless of worldview, to teach us a deeper message?

 

[doctorwho29]

Why do you believe babies and children go to Hell when they can't even understand or make a decision of faith? Would God be that cruel with His grace and withhold it from those who honestly can not make any sort of profession or choice?

 

[trophy33]

So God can't use David's words, regardless of worldview, to teach us a deeper message?

No. David did not mean heaven, he meant sheol, the realm of death. This is the message. Other message is not "deeper", but "wrong and inserted into the text".

 

[doctorwho29]

You actually just said that God can't do something, that He is incapable of speaking His message through someone else's words!

 

[trophy33]

Why do you believe babies and children go to Hell when they can't even understand or make a decision of faith? Would God be that cruel with His grace and withhold it from those who honestly can not make any sort of profession or choice?

Can you quote me?

 

[trophy33]

You actually just said that God can't do something, that He is incapable of speaking His message through someone else's words!

Oh mine... Where do you people get such bad work with the Bible from? You are simply trying to put your wish into the text and saying "God can".

 

[doctorwho29]

Can you quote me?

Just read this thread. You never once agreed with the concept of babies going to heaven!

 

[trophy33]

Just read this thread. You never once agreed with the concept of babies going to heaven!

Yes. And can you quote me about believing that aborted infants go to hell to suffer?

 

[doctorwho29]

Then what the bloody heck do you believe? This is getting confusing? I'm simply trying to talk but you seem to be going in circles. Maybe I'm just stupid

 

[trophy33]

Then what the bloody heck do you believe? This is getting confusing? I'm simply trying to talk but you seem to be going in circles. Maybe I'm just stupid

I am saying that aborted infants have no personality to go anywhere. Body is destroyed and the breath of life returns to God.

Somebody who is not self-aware cannot suffer in hell, how and why would it happen?

 

[doctorwho29]

And what is your proof on that? What is your evidence that aborted babies are just gone like that or that they have no personality? You kept asking for quotes and sources, now I'm asking you

 

[trophy33]

And what is your proof on that? What is your evidence that aborted babies are just gone like that or that they have no personality? You kept asking for quotes and sources, now I'm asking you

First, there is nothing in the Bible against that. Your quotation of David was wrong.

Second, I do not have any "proof", its just a logical conclusion. There is no person, yet, personality must develop first.

 

[doctorwho29]

How an unborn child not a person? John the Baptist leapt for joy in the womb. Different babies are more energetic or more sleepy or more all sorts of things, they are unique and this starts in the womb. Again, using logical conclusions

 

[trophy33]

How an unborn child not a person? John the Baptist leapt for joy in the womb. Different babies are more energetic or more sleepy or more all sorts of things, they are unique and this starts in the womb. Again, using logical conclusions

Its hard to imagine that you would send somebody to hell or heaven just because he was more sleepy or energetic than others.

 

[doctorwho29]

All I'm doing is arguing for the personhood and the personality of an unborn child. Nothing more, nothing less

 

[trophy33]

All I'm doing is arguing for the personhood and the personality of an unborn child. Nothing more, nothing less

Being sleepy or moving is not a personality.

 

[doctorwho29]

So neither of us have solid proof and yet you are acting like you are right? Tell me, when does a baby become a person? What's the magical difference between in the womb and out?

 

[trophy33]

So neither of us have solid proof and yet you are acting like you are right? Tell me, when does a baby become a person? What's the magical difference between in the womb and out?

Neither of us has a solid proof that an aborted infant go somewhere or not.

I am just not seeing any basis for "who" would go somewhere, when there is no "who" , yet. God would have to create a person that did not exist before, which is quite absurd.

I do not know when exactly one is a person, its like asking "when exactly are sand nuggets becoming a lump". Its a process.