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Featured Do aborted infants go to heaven?

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by Prisoner No. 6, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. Strong in Him

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    I don't believe that babies are born in sin; I believe they are born with sinful natures, which is not quite the same.
    Having a sinful nature means that our default setting will be to sin, go against God and do what is wrong in his eyes. Being born in sin would mean that even 10 minute old babies - ALL 10 minute old babies, including Christ - were sinners. And if they were unfortunate enough to die at that point - through no fault of their own, without knowing and coming to Christ - through no fault of their own; they would die in their sins and be condemned.
    I don't believe the God who created them is that cruel.
     
  2. Strong in Him

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    Agreed. But the OP said "I don't believe that babies who die before they can profess Christ go to heaven"; agreeing with that sounds like you are saying "babies who die go to hell", so I wasn't sure what you were saying. :)
     
  3. Albion

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    It is not the same, that is correct.

    But I was merely reporting on what the Bible says about it; everybody is at liberty to believe whatever he or she wants.

    No, Christ, being God, was immune to sin. It simply would be incompatible with the divine nature.
     
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  4. DennisTate

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    Near death experiencer Ariela Solsol Pereira was shown her children in heaven who she had aborted when she was younger.

    Near death experiences and ABORTION.


    DIVINE TRUTHS REVEALED by Ariela Solsol

     
  5. Eloy Craft

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    No reason to believe they go to heaven. There is a bliss experienced to not have ever committed a sin. They would not be envious of those in an elevated state. This is a brief description of the limbo theory. Just throwing it out there.

    I personally think God has profound and sublime purpose that they fulfill in the economy of salvation. This being attached to their state of sinless bliss.
     
  6. Albion

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    ...which even the lone church ever to believe in Limbo, the Roman Catholic Church, now disavows and explains it away as nothing but a guess.
     
  7. Contenders Edge

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    That all depends upon whether they have reached the age of accountability which is when they become conscious of sin and know right from wrong and that can be different for each person. Babies, even unborn babies, are not aware that they are sinners. They do not know right from wrong. They cannot comprehend morality.

    Therefore, because they are in a stage of life which could be called an age or state of innocence, they cannot be held accountable for what they cannot comprehend, and because our Creator is a just God, He will not sentence such to an eternity of torment and separation from Him as He would those who know to choose whether to do right or wrong and instead of choosing that which is good in His sight, choose evil.

    God may bear with our ignorance for a time, but there comes a time when He calls each and every one of us to repent of our sins and to subject ourselves to Him, and committing ourselves to doing the things that we know to be right in His sight.
     
  8. Contenders Edge

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    The scripture states that man is born into sin. It is just that in the early stages of life, they are not aware of their sin and therefore are not held accountable for which they are not aware. Your theory sounds as though babies do not have a spirit any different from that of an animal when scripture says that men are given a spirit that sets them apart from the beasts.

    Does not scripture say that when God created man and breathed life into him that he became a living soul? (Gen. 2:7) He never said that about the animals. They have spirits too, but not spirits like those of men. Therefore, once a life begins to develop in the womb, a soul is born, but should that soul die, even in the womb, where does that soul go if not Heaven or Hell?

    For the Bible says that Heaven or Hell are the only two eternal destinations for men to go when they die. The just going to Heaven by faith in Christ and the unbelieving to eternal torment in Hell.

    But far be it from the Lord that He should do something unjust such as sentencing an innocent baby, unaware that he is inherently sinful, to the torments of Hell.
     
  9. Eloy Craft

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    their path to heaven isnt revealed. We are children of wrath. God doesn't owe anyone salvation. We all deserve hell from the womb. The babe in the womb is a moral agent that's why he or she experiences the bliss of innocense.

    it would not be unjust of God to send anyone to hell.
     
  10. Strong in Him

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    Scripture says that Jesus was like us in every way - except that he did not sin.
    But if he was "immune" to sin, if there was no possibility at all that he could ever have sinned, then temptation would have been pointless and he would not have been like us.
    Jesus didn't sin, let me be clear about that; but he became angry with the money changers in the temple, exasperated with the Pharisees and his own disciples sometimes - and if he had let it, and not controlled it, those emotions could have led to rage, violence, name calling, putting them down or whatever.
    There was the possibility that he COULD have sinned - that's what the devil wanted and was doing his best to bring about - but Jesus' love for his Father was greater than the desire to meet his own needs, and he didn't.
     
  11. Strong in Him

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    Really?
    Scripture says that if human fathers even though they aren't perfect, know how to give good things to their children, how much more will God give good things to those who ask.
    Scripture says that we are to be perfect as God is perfect, Matthew 5:48, that he is love, 1 John 4:8 and that we are to love as he loves us, John 13:35.
    If a human father would not reject a one day, or one hour, old baby and condemn it to suffering, how can we say that God would do that? It may have been born with a sinful nature, but if it had not lived long enough to know who God was and reject him, how could it be just for God to condemn it for doing so?
     
  12. Eloy Craft

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    Ok, I believe God wants the baby to be with Him. So He wants us all. That doesn't say a thing about justice. We are condemned already God doesn't do it again. Born with a sinful nature. You know that means it's natural for us to reject God. What can be done with a human soul that would naturally reject God, would rather choose sin, and that is it's eternal state of being?
     
  13. Strong in Him

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    A chance to hear about Jesus. That's why the Son of God gave his life, so that we could learn of God's amazing love for sinners, repent, come to him and have eternal life.
    What would be the point of allowing a woman to get pregnant, carry a child for 9 months and then, immediately that child was born, say "I want it to be with me now"? If we'd all been killed at birth/in the womb, we would not have sinned and rejected God, the world would have ended centuries ago and Jesus would not have needed to come.
     
  14. Eloy Craft

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    Well, I don't know how you come to that conclusion but, babies spend quite a few years before they develop the ability to reason. Before then their intellectual powers are kinda dormant. Before then the active powers of their souls and animal souls hardly differ. Yet not having sinned themselves they know a state of being that is lost to those of us old enough to sin.

    A disembodied soul doesn't have location. Until we get our bodies back anyway. It has entered an eternal state of being. Whatever state it was in at death. What can we say for sure about the souls of unbaptized babies that die?

    Whatever happens to them. Whatever it is. Even if it is something that our earthly mind wouldn't understand, it is just because God did it.
     
  15. Eloy Craft

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    We at one time had not yet sinned but we all enter life as God rejecters. It's accepting God that aborted children never got the chance to do. They enter into eternity tending towards evil. My brother in Christ, are you thinking it will have a chance, or be able to choose God after death? To choose anything before it's dead body developed enough to enable it to do so? Even then, if their is a choice, that means it must be possible to........I know with God all things are possible, I hope you're right.
     
  16. Albion

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    That was the one way in which he was not like every other human--that, and the fact that he also was 100% God as well. I don't have any interest in arguing the point, but this is the standard Christian belief concerning this issue, in case anyone who is in doubt cares to know it.
     
  17. Strong in Him

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    We enter life having been created by God in his image, Genesis 1:26, known by him while we were in the womb, Psalms 139:13-16, and a blessing from God, Psalms 127:3 - yet not knowing him. That is why we have to be taught.

    Yes, because someone did evil to them and took the decision to end their lives.

    Even a fully developed baby cannot do evil and reject God - far less a 5 month old, or younger, foetus.

    Sister in Christ :)

    No.
    I'm thinking that God is merciful to those who have not known or heard of him and been able to respond to the Gospel for themselves.
     
  18. Contenders Edge

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    Most would agree that God does not owe anyone salvation that we receive it through His grace through Christ. But take also into consideration that “sin is not imputed” when there is no knowledge of the law. (Rom. 5:13) In other words, when there is no knowledge of right and wrong, there is no accountability and no judgment.

    Babies and small children don’t know that there is a law. Furthermore, if babies do not go to Heaven when they die, why would David have said, when he lost a child in infancy, “I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me”? (2 Sam. 12:23)

    But when knowledge of the law of God is revealed then is sin imputed and when sin is imputed, then comes judgment, and to escape judgment, the penalty has to be paid on our behalf which has been done through Christ.
     
  19. Eloy Craft

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    That's gotta be worth something.

    Innocent victims who can't cry out for justice. We can for them.

    Poor things die with the stain of original sin.

    Please pardon my bad manners dear sister in Christ.

    Yes, merciful and good. I entrust them to God's infinite mercy too.
     
  20. Eloy Craft

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    Yes, and they experience a natural bliss because of that. On that hung the theory of limbo since that isn't a bad state to exist eternally. I mean as long as one can't comprehend that there is a better one.

    I think David meant Sheol.
     
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