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This is a little funny - are you saying that Eve didn't breath?
I think both you and I know Eve was a living person, and therefore she breathed. As every living person who ever lived has - we all have the breath of life from God!
Gotquestions.org has a good analysis and answer.This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?
Yes that was very good.Gotquestions.org has a good analysis and answer.
Hi David,
A little selective in translations we use here (I include myself); my favorite one says: "... he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." The ek (from) here can include "in," but need not. And it seems in English "from" does not include anything prior to the end of the (time period) indicated. So not much of a proof for there being souls in the womb, especially considering that Adam (man!) only was (is) a living soul when given the breath of life. The breath being directly from God.
An interesting "we" you use in: "... we KNOW what we are doing." I doubt you are actually participating in abortion - I guess you take it you are somehow responsible because such occurs in the society in which "we" are a part. I guess you feel moral apprehension about abortion and not being able to halt the practice feel guilty about it? Do you also claim some responsibility for actual murders?
To my mind "unborn child" is about the most blatant contradiction there could be...
This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?
I certainly didn't "clarify" that way - a non-quote misquote misrepresentation.Yes when a human heart beats it is human and not a mouse. Thank you so much for clarifying.
I certainly didn't "clarify" that way - a non-quote misquote misrepresentation.
I think it does indicate you see the light - that your pointing out that "a mouse is not a human" is pretty inane, though you would never admit it directly of course.
Your "when a human heart beats it is human" (misrepresentation of what I said) shows a fairly common inability to notice the difference between "human" and "a human." What you say indicates a bit of grammatical knowledge of how an adjective is used - that "human" can be correctly used to modify "heartbeats" (CodyFaith's word, and not yours).
He, for your information, was talking about "a human"; a heart can be human without being a human (being), in fact a human heart never is a human being of course.
Just off the top, please note the blatant contradiction you and I here are obviously talking about is "unborn baby." NOWHERE in the Bible does that form of words appear - a definite indication God "has trouble with it," at least to the point of never using it.Hi Douglas, your mind may have trouble with it, but God doesn't seem to. Here are a few examples, from Genesis to Revelation:
11 The angel of the LORD said to her further,Yours and His,
“Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” ~Gen 16
"Both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father." ~Gen 19:36
22 “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide.
23 “But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. ~Ex 21`
“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel." ~Is 7:14
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
19 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly.
20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22 Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.” ~Matt 1
"She was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." ~Rev 12:2
David
Garbage, false witness, lying attack.It's 'reasoning' and mincing words as above that clearly reveals the gymnastics used by some to condone murder.
Just off the top, please note the blatant contradiction you and I here are obviously talking about is "unborn baby." NOWHERE in the Bible does that form of words appear - a definite indication God "has trouble with it," at least to the point of never using it.
To some it may "seem" that God does not have trouble with it, although would never actually say it.
If it is an idea so welcome to God, why does it never appear directly in Scripture?
Garbage, false witness, lying attack.
The Bible does say that God knows us while we are in the womb, however, so whatever wording agrees with that truth seems to me to be appropriate.Just off the top, please note the blatant contradiction you and I here are obviously talking about is "unborn baby." NOWHERE in the Bible does that form of words appear - a definite indication God "has trouble with it," at least to the point of never using it.
To some it may "seem" that God does not have trouble with it, although would never actually say it.
If it is an idea so welcome to God, why does it never appear directly in Scripture?
Bumped it over to me, I suppose.Bump.
Simon Crosby said: ↑
So, do you then deny that our Lord was God incarnate in the womb? Did he become Incarnate at his birth, instead of at the annunciation?
Bumped it over to me, I suppose.
"Incarnation" means became a human being. God became a human being at the birth of Jesus. (Why we so much celebrate that, of course!)
If some particular church gets things about the annunciation wrong, hopefully they will correct their teaching.
WE are not in wombs. Thank you very much.The Bible does say that God knows us while we are in the womb, however, so whatever wording agrees with that truth seems to me to be appropriate.
"Will be called the Son of God." When born. Seems pretty obvious to me.What is your position to Simon's statement? Is it your position Jesus Christ was not a human being when “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)
"Will be called the Son of God." When born. Seems pretty obvious to me.
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