Divorce

[Gishin]

I wonder how many people out there will be hurt by actually listening to some of the people here on this thread.

Ducky; so if your wife beat you up and threaten to kill you and our children you wouldn't divorce her? Would you stay and potentially be a factor in the death of your own children? Just askin....

He'd separate himself but never divorce.

 

[mpok1519]

Strange; I wonder how one would feel about the ethics violation of still receiving tax breaks and insurance bnefits...oh wait! That IS the reason people separate and don't divorce! They're greedy lil snots! Lol

 

[PreachersWife2004]

you two are awful...

I understand people who separate while they're trying to work things out, but permanent separation? It's like it's some magic techie term that keeps people from actually breaking asunder what God joined together. Like that's supposed to be a GOOD thing...

I don't get it.

 

[Gishin]

you two are awful...

I understand people who separate while they're trying to work things out, but permanent separation? It's like it's some magic techie term that keeps people from actually breaking asunder what God joined together. Like that's supposed to be a GOOD thing...

I don't get it.

Literalists don't care much about the spirit as long as they follow the letter.

 

[Duckybill]

I read through this whole thread and registered primarily to say:
Duckybill, you are the type of person who give Christians a bad name as arrogant, extremist and superior. You show no empathy, no sympathy or Christian love to those who have admitted to divorce, only judgement and criticism.

Divorce isn't fun, its a terrible time in your life where even remembering back can draw you back into the pain and Duckybill's comments do nothing to help those trying to cope with what psychologists would say is one of the most devastating and painful times in your life.

I am a divorcee. My wife was unfaithful numerous times. My wife verbally and psychologically abused me continuously. My wife was a gold digger whose personality changed within days of being married from one who couldn't wait to begin our walk together with God as one, to one who just wanted to spend my, and my family's money, abusing me and using every tactic imaginable to keep me on a tight leash.

To those of you who are divorced with or without a biblical justification, God STILL loves you! Don't let Duckybill or any other religious person with a superiority complex convince you otherwise. They are just a "resounding gong or a clanging cymbal".

It is clear that Satan has saturated today's churches with unbelief in God's promises. Satan has stolen God's Word from God's people.

1 John 3:22 (NKJV)
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

 

[Duckybill]

"Both pride and self-righteousness blind our ability to see things as they really are. The worst part of this blindness is that the blind person does not believe they are blind. To others it is obvious, but to the poor souls wearing the garments of pride and self-righteousness, they actually believe they see. And they always see themselves in a different light than others see them.

A self-righteous person will always have people they can look down upon. After all, some people work harder for the Lord than others. While they may not voice it openly, those deemed to be outside the "saved" camp become secretly despised. Since God is going to deal with them in very cruel ways, the self-righteous person feels justified in copying their God of wrath. This self-righteousness then becomes a mountain of people under their feet, so to speak, a mass of people to look down upon as despised, forsaken, despicable. This mass of people can be compose of other denominations, people with other doctrinesand creeds, entire nations, various personal preferences, or a host of other reasons to place these people in the "not saved" or "unjustified" camp.

Self-righteousness, is the number one cause of failure in a Christian's life. Two giant pillars of the gates of hell are pride and self-righteousness.

The danger of having the problem of self-righteousness is that it is a blinding agent. Once the poison sets in, the person becomes blind to the fact they are self-righteous. In addition, it is almost impossible for other human beings to tell that person they are self-righteous. They truly cannot see it. The Pharisees who say, "We thank God we am not like them" really do not thank God, they are praising themselves and their own works. They see everything through their own works, which to them are good. They say they "see," but Jesus said that because they say they "see," their sin remains. Self-righteousness causes us to say we see, when we are truly spiritually blind."

Maybe pick up the book "Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage" by Samuel G Dawson, or even Not Under Bondage: Biblical Divorce for Abuse, Adultery & Desertion. It seems like you could use some aid interpreting the Bible.

Might be better off though working on your pride and self righteous sins first so you can see.

Believing God's promises is not self righteousness.

Matthew 21:22 (NKJV)
22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.

 

[Duckybill]

But how you say it is as bad as what Ducky says.

God's promises bad???

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

I said it makes you sound like one, CiC, not that you are one. As I pointed out, I imagine most abused spouses tried their hardest to make their marriage work. And we're not talking the type of stuff you mention above. We're talking hard core abuse, physical abuse, the kind that leaves scars - physically and emotionally.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you here. Divorce is bad. There's no doubt about that. But we who were abused didn't divorce because our spouses didn't live up to our expectations...we divorced because they didn't live up to God's expectations.

I have been able to show my 14 year old what a good marriage is, how a good husband acts and how a good wife acts, because I am remarried.

There is no valid excuse for a Christian to divorce!!!!!!! No excuses for not believing God's promises.

John 15:7 (NKJV)
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

 

[Duckybill]

Satan is working overtime through you, my friend. He giggles with glee every time you post this crap.

My faith is strong, so get thee behind me Satan. You can question all you want, and make these crazy statements that I didn't believe and that God didn't help me, but He sure did, in amazing ways, ways that I don't think you and your petty little mind can even fathom.

I'm happy and content in the Lord. It's too bad Satan is trying to attack me through you, but I hope you can be stronger and ask God to rid you of Satan's influence.

There are still no valid excuses for Christians to divorce. But there is forgiveness for those who seek it.

 

[Duckybill]

I wonder how many people out there will be hurt by actually listening to some of the people here on this thread.

Ducky; so if your wife beat you up and threaten to kill you and our children you wouldn't divorce her? Would you stay and potentially be a factor in the death of your own children? Just askin....

You mean if God doesn't keep His promises?

Hebrews 13:6 (NKJV)
6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"

 

[mpok1519]

Quit sidestepping the question and just answer it like an adult.

 

[Duckybill]

Quit sidestepping the question and just answer it like an adult.

It is you who are "sidestepping". Do you believe God's promises or not?

 

[Duckybill]

you two are awful...

I understand people who separate while they're trying to work things out, but permanent separation? It's like it's some magic techie term that keeps people from actually breaking asunder what God joined together. Like that's supposed to be a GOOD thing...

I don't get it.

You sure don't get it! For Christians who believe God's promises it's not permanent. Unless God lied.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

 

[beckyjustbecky]

DuckyBill.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously!
Catch a grip and wake up! This is the year 2010 and although there are some awesome Christian spouses out there, unfortunately their husbands/wives may not be!

Do I believe God's promises. OF course I do! But if I had a husband who didnt, then I aint waiting around to be murdered.. there are PLENTY of real life incidents where a man/or woman has been killed waiting on God to "fix" their spouse. The trouble is. God isn't going to fix someone who doesn't want to be fixed, and that would be messing with free will.

So go ahead and spew your self righteous garbage somewhere else cause frankly Im tired of it and Im sure other abuse survivors are too!

 

[Duckybill]

Do I believe God's promises. OF course I do!

Which promises do you believe? Name a few. There are MANY. I have listed several in my posts in this thread.

How about:?

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

You say you believe them and then spew unbelief in them. Which is it???

 

[Duckybill]

Remember, you're wife or husband can rape and beat the kids all they want, just as long as they're Christian.

Nah.

Matthew 7:16-19 (NKJV)
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

[Duckybill]

But it also says you can't divorce unless the other person leaves the faith, or was never part of it.

Scripture please.

So as long as your spouse does the whole "FORGIVE THIS WRETCHED SINNER AMAZING GRACE" routine, s/he can keep up the rape.

Forgiving others is MANDATORY to receive forgiveness of our sins.

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.

 

[Gishin]

Scripture please.

Forgiving others is MANDATORY to receive forgiveness of our sins.

Mark 11:26 (NKJV)
26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.

No, just no. There's a line and you've long crossed it.

 

[Duckybill]

No, just no. There's a line and you've long crossed it.

Is that supposed to make sense?

 

[beckyjustbecky]

Which promises do you believe? Name a few. There are MANY. I have listed several in my posts in this thread.

How about:?

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

You say you believe them and then spew unbelief in them. Which is it???

I believe a lot of Gods promises take time to come to pass. Which isn't always in the favour of the victim who is in fear of being murdered.

 

[Duckybill]

I believe a lot of Gods promises take time to come to pass. Which isn't always in the favour of the victim who is in fear of being murdered.

Sounds like you're saying you don't trust God to take care of you. Lots of Gods promises? For instance?