Divorce

[Duckybill]

Ia ia cthulu ftagn!

Bottom line, don't ever listen to someone who says you shouldn't divorce an abusive spouse. That's misguided in the most serious sense. Humans are fallible, we make mistakes. And sometimes that mistake can be marrying the wrong person. Just because you make that mistake you shouldn't be damned to a life of misery or loneliness.

Psalm 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

 

[Gishin]

Psalm 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,

Gishin 1:1
1 Intelligent is the person who walks not in the counsel of Duckybill.

 

[Duckybill]

Gishin 1:1
1 Intelligent is the person who walks not in the counsel of Duckybill.

The sad truth is that many religious folks will agree with you rather than God. But God warned us. So it's actually WONDERFUL because the time of THE END is at hand.

 

[Gishin]

The sad truth is that many religious folks will agree with you rather than God. But God warned us. So it's actually WONDERFUL because the time of THE END is at hand.

It's awesome how you have this perfect knowledge of what exactly your deity wants when so many sects have struggled over this exact thing. How fortunate for you to be one of the chosen few who got it precisely right!

 

[Duckybill]

It's awesome how you have this perfect knowledge of what exactly your deity wants when so many sects have struggled over this exact thing. How fortunate for you to be one of the chosen few who got it precisely right!

You mean like Noah?

 

[mpok1519]

You offer no evidence.

I don't know what you refer to. So I'll assume it's one of these.

1) evidence that scripture should be interpreted via application of symbolism and allegory with usage of literary devices is nondebateable; Genesis is very nonliteral, and is a myth that illustrates a point. There are many if not uncountable examples of this in the bible.

2) it's obvious you are a fundamental radicalist; I can only safely assume your upbringing was radical and fundamental.

 

[actionsub]

Well it is certain that God hates all sin, but there is only one unpardonable sin and it is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit not divorce

Bravo, Doc! You can always count on an Arkansawyer to cut to the chase!

 

[actionsub]

mpok- I've never thought about the act blaspheming in the way you just explained it. That makes me wonder though, *when* does God truly give up on trying to turn a sinner toward Him during our final Judgement? What's His true "breaking point" for a sinner, unbeliever, or non-repentant?

About the point the body reaches room temperature.

In other words, it ain't over till it's over. Long as you're inhaling and exhaling, God's giving you a shot to turn to Him.

 

[Cabal]

Let's see, the Apostles were murdered. I guess they enraged others.

You have a high opinion of your opinion, I'll give you that much.

 

[ElizabethHelen]

I will never marry untill God tells me I'm mature enough to do so. Also wouldn't marry untill I find the one who has been there for me always through right or wrong, through sickness and in health, once they prove that before marriage, then they can prove it after marriage.

Matrimony is something very special to me, It's a binding of two souls.

I'd much rather stick to doing it that way ^^ than getting married to any old tom dick and harry then couple of years divorce. I want to show people that they arn't always down and outs from where I come from. There is a lot of young adults here who got married and had children too fast before they were even adults, who are now divorced.

A young girl I went to school with, fell in love with a Muslim, got reincarnated into thier faith and had children, 5 years later, divorced.

 

[Gishin]

You mean like Noah?

You're a prophet now?

 

[mpok1519]

I will never marry untill God tells me I'm mature enough to do so. Also wouldn't marry untill I find the one who has been there for me always through right or wrong, through sickness and in health, once they prove that before marriage, then they can prove it after marriage.

Matrimony is something very special to me, It's a binding of two souls.

I'd much rather stick to doing it that way ^^ than getting married to any old tom dick and harry then couple of years divorce. I want to show people that they arn't always down and outs from where I come from. There is a lot of young adults here who got married and had children too fast before they were even adults, who are now divorced.

A young girl I went to school with, fell in love with a Muslim, got reincarnated into thier faith and had children, 5 years later, divorced.

I think you mean "converted" rather than "reincarnated".

Do you attribute their divorce to thir islamic faith or lack of maturity?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I'm wondering what you all think of my circumstances- please refer to my innumerable posts here at CF about having "unbiblically" filed for divorce because of unrepentant psychological abuse and neglect, ect. from my spouse.

I can't seem to discern (from the various things that have been said) whether I should have filed for the divorce or not, or if I'm destined to burn in Hell for my sin...you all just make even more frustrating for me, as if I'm not already so very ashamed for what I chose to do.

Only God knows who goes to hell and heaven..I believe however, instead of making a rash decision to divorce, you should just seperate for a while and have your husband get mandatory counseling. Too many people make the rash decision of divorcing too quickly rather than separating for a while and letting time work things out.

There is a reason why Italy has one of the lowest divorce rates in the world. It is because they require a 1 year cooldown period before one is able to divorce. usually this period includes counseling. And the large majority of couples later got back together again after the reparation therapy. Psychology Today stated that a whopping 60% of remarriages fail. And they do so even more quickly; after an average of 10 years, 37% of remarriages have dissolved versus 30% of first marriages.

Sometimes separation is needed in cases of abuse. Sometimes a long cooldown period is well needed. But people can be helped and marriages can be fixed..

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I actually tend to agree with this, with the understanding that sometimes, a cooldown is not possible nor would it be healthy. My marriage, for example, would have suffered more under a cooldown, and I had already tried counseling - he just never showed up.

In Michigan at least, divorces where there's kids involved take 6 months to finalize. That's something, although they only require parenting stuff during that 6 months, not any actual marriage counseling.

I could probably speak for most abused spouses when I say we didn't rush into divorce and we didn't make a rash decision. It's not like we woke up one day and said "I'm going to divorce my husband today!"

Only God knows who goes to hell and heaven..I believe however, instead of making a rash decision to divorce, you should just seperate for a while and have your husband get mandatory counseling. Too many people make the rash decision of divorcing too quickly rather than separating for a while and letting time work things out.

There is a reason why Italy has one of the lowest divorce rates in the world. It is because they require a 1 year cooldown period before one is able to divorce. usually this period includes counseling. And the large majority of couples later got back together again after the reparation therapy. Psychology Today stated that a whopping 60% of remarriages fail. And they do so even more quickly; after an average of 10 years, 37% of remarriages have dissolved versus 30% of first marriages.

Sometimes separation is needed in cases of abuse. Sometimes a long cooldown period is well needed. But people can be helped and marriages can be fixed..

 

[foodiepeep]

Only God knows who goes to hell and heaven..I believe however, instead of making a rash decision to divorce, you should just seperate for a while and have your husband get mandatory counseling. Too many people make the rash decision of divorcing too quickly rather than separating for a while and letting time work things out.

There is a reason why Italy has one of the lowest divorce rates in the world. It is because they require a 1 year cooldown period before one is able to divorce. usually this period includes counseling. And the large majority of couples later got back together again after the reparation therapy. Psychology Today stated that a whopping 60% of remarriages fail. And they do so even more quickly; after an average of 10 years, 37% of remarriages have dissolved versus 30% of first marriages.

Sometimes separation is needed in cases of abuse. Sometimes a long cooldown period is well needed. But people can be helped and marriages can be fixed..

Creed- Have you read any of my other posts here at CF?...I think you'll understand my situation better if you do.

 

[beckyjustbecky]

I have been threatened at gun point because of my religious beliefs. I do know what I'm talking about. God is faithful. I do not own a gun. Don't need one.
Getting out is fine. I would recommend it. Divorce? Nope. No reason to divorce except adultery.

Being threatened at gun point by a stranger, and then by your spuose is entirely different! My Mother couldn't get into ANY refuges because she refused to "Divorce" my father, meaning everytime she got away, she had no choice than to let us starve or go back to him.

You are completely small minded and locked away in your own little bubble about this. How DARE you come on here and condemn people for chosing to live rather than die.

It is people like you who forced these scriptures down her neck that gave her no other option than to attempt suicide. She honestly bellieved she had no other option. Thank God she's with me today.

You have no place whatsoever in behaving like you are, or comdemning like you are. You do not know peoples circumstances or what they are living with every day. You do not know the fear I learned from being in that home. Or the injuries I have suffered because of men and women just like you.

The final thing I am going to say on this, for you and for all to read is that Above all. Jesus taught LOVE. Which is something I have yet to see displayed from you anywhere on these forums. Love was what gave my mother the strength for divorce my father, LOVE made her put her children before her own salvation -(according to the church members) I do not for one second believe my mothers salvation is affected because she divorced my father. I do not wish to have your opinion on this either. Love is the reason I am alive today. So the next time you decide to vomit scriptures all over the place, take one second and think about how your self righteousness will affect the people you are condemning.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Being threatened at gun point by a stranger, and then by your spuose is entirely different! My Mother couldn't get into ANY refuges because she refused to "Divorce" my father, meaning everytime she got away, she had no choice than to let us starve or go back to him.

You are completely small minded and locked away in your own little bubble about this. How DARE you come on here and condemn people for chosing to live rather than die.

It is people like you who forced these scriptures down her neck that gave her no other option than to attempt suicide. She honestly bellieved she had no other option. Thank God she's with me today.

You have no place whatsoever in behaving like you are, or comdemning like you are. You do not know peoples circumstances or what they are living with every day. You do not know the fear I learned from being in that home. Or the injuries I have suffered because of men and women just like you.

The final thing I am going to say on this, for you and for all to read is that Above all. Jesus taught LOVE. Which is something I have yet to see displayed from you anywhere on these forums. Love was what gave my mother the strength for divorce my father, LOVE made her put her children before her own salvation -(according to the church members) I do not for one second believe my mothers salvation is affected because she divorced my father. I do not wish to have your opinion on this either. Love is the reason I am alive today. So the next time you decide to vomit scriptures all over the place, take one second and think about how your self righteousness will affect the people you are condemning.

Divorce isn't love. Unconditional love is not broken by any setbacks. Divorce is based on conditional "love". True love says that they will be there under all circumstances and bounds which only death can separate. Conditional "love" says, IF you do this or do that, I will leave you. And the minute you put conditions on a marriage that is the beginning of its failure. I don't care if your seperated for 10-20 years, if they're in a prison cell, in a ward, takes hundreds of hours of counseling or therapy, you still love your spouse enough to care about them and not abandon them, and for the sake of the children. your spouse will see that love and eventually see the err of their ways by your love and piety. Even the epistle of Peter says that unbelieving spouses can be won by the behavior of their wives through their modesty, submissiveness, humility, and piety..

Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, - 1 Peter 3:1

as I said before in cases of abuse, separation is needed. But never abandonment.love does not abandon.it goes through thick and thin.

 

[Gracchus]

Divorce isn't love. Unconditional love is not broken by any setbacks. Divorce is based on conditional "love". True love says that they will be there under all circumstances and bounds which only death can separate. Conditional "love" says, IF you do this or do that, I will leave you. And the minute you put conditions on a marriage that is the beginning of its failure. I don't care if your seperated for 10-20 years, if they're in a prison cell, in a ward, takes hundreds of hours of counseling or therapy, you still love your spouse enough to care about them and not abandon them, and for the sake of the children. your spouse will see that love and eventually see the err of their ways by your love and piety. Even the epistle of Peter says that unbelieving spouses can be won by the behavior of their wives through their modesty, submissiveness, humility, and piety..

Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, - 1 Peter 3:1

as I said before in cases of abuse, separation is needed. But never abandonment.love does not abandon.it goes through thick and thin.

"He has shown you man, what is good. And what has the Lord required of thee but to love mercy, deal fairly, and walk humbly with thy God?" --- Micah 6:8

Those are the requirements. Human love is lagniappe, and unconditional love is an attribute of the divine, and not possible to mere mortals. In this regard, everyone can be broken.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

"He has shown you man, what is good. And what has the Lord required of thee but to love mercy, deal fairly, and walk humbly with thy God?" --- Micah 6:8

Those are the requirements. Human love is lagniappe, and unconditional love is an attribute of the divine, and not possible to mere mortals. In this regard, everyone can be broken.

divorce is not mercy nor is it love. And in most cases it is abandomment because one person did not meet the other persons vain expectations.

if ones faith is strong enough then love cannot be broken. Just as it wasn't broken in the saints who died for Christ and were tortured, executed, fed to lions, and burnt on stakes. St. Peter was crucified upside-down. Did he break??

the body may not, but the spirit is willing. Unconditional love is very possible..rare.. but not impossible..

 

[Gracchus]

divorce is not mercy nor is it love.

Divorce can be a mercy. I guarantee it.

And in most cases it is abandomment because one person did not meet the other persons vain expectations.

I think that having the expection when marrying that you and your children will not be brutalized, or forced to endure drunkeness, or exposure to STD's, are reasonable expections. I think if those expections are not met, leaving is justifed.

if ones faith is strong enough then love cannot be broken.

If you had faith as large as a mustard seed, you could cast a mountain into the sea. Have you done that lately?

Just as it wasn't broken in the saints who died for Christ and were tortured, executed, fed to lions, and burnt on stakes.

The faithful ones died in the arena. The unfaithful ones lived to transmit their religious zeal to their children.

St. Peter was crucified upside-down. Did he break??

I have no idea, and neither do you. Maybe he cried and screamed and recanted. There is not even eyewitness testimony. You just have stories, and non-Biblical stories at that.

the body may not, but the spirit is willing. Unconditional love is very possible..rare.. but not impossible..

"With God", it is said, "all things are possible." I have not heard this said of anyone else. I have heard that it is impossible to go though life without falling short.

Maybe you should get off your moral high rocking horse and grow up.