Divine revelation of hell?

[victoryword]

Those of you who have read the book and like it - can you answer some of my concerns please?

The author claims she, a child of God, was abandoned by Jesus and left in hell for a time to suffer as a sinner would.

So is she saying He did not keep His word?

Joshua 1:5
"I will never leave you nor forsake you."

And punishing the righteous?

Genesis 18:25
"Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

That'll do for now. Any takers?

God bless, love Sue

Hi Sue

I am not abig advocate for the book though I did not find it to be a bad book either. Anywa, just a point of clarification. I read it like 13 years ago so my memory might be fuzzy on details. However, if I remember, Jesus did NOT forsake her. He told her that He would be there with her throughout the whole time even though she would not see Him or sense His presence. He wanted her to have a sense of what it was like to be abandoned. But if I remember correctly, He did not actually leave her. Again, I could be wrong. 13 years is a long time to try to rmemeber something from one book.

 

[9-iron]

 

[KleinerApfel]

9-iron, is this an official hijack?!

Go on then - post your flippin' pictures here!

 

[KleinerApfel]

(Oh my goodness, what have I said??? Don't hold me responsible for what's coming folks ...)

 

[psalms 91]

we hold you responsible lord is my banner

 

[KleinerApfel]

 

[Pointman7]

Where's the "flippin" pictures? I'm waiting!

 

[9-iron]

9-iron, is this an official hijack?!

Go on then - post your flippin' pictures here!

I'm flippin baby, I'm a flippin!!!

 

[rapturefish]

Glad to see some humour here! []

 

[9-iron]

Here is Sue's favorite!!

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

I had a very bad "feeling" about all her books.
I am not going to crit to much... but in one there is a christian in hell who is burning up over and over and over... all the while begging God/Jesus for help and asking why this happened to her.
If I recal there is no reason given for this and so... it just instills doubt about our security as believers. It is scary. You do not want to in any way down play the seriousness of the matter, but wow. That book is out there.

Ugh!

I have heard one or two authors or speakers mention people who claim to have been taken by the Lord into hell, allowwed to suffer the most horrendous experiences there, and told to come back and warn everyone.

A lot of it sounds extremely extra-biblical, even anti-biblical, but they justify it by saying that the unbelievers need to hear this.

As if the Bible doesn't say enough already to make an informed decision?
Why would God add new, detailed, personal experiences so that people who regfuse to read His word can be given someone else's version instead, and so that will save them?

In the story of Lazarus and the rich man we are told nobody can cross the chasm, and even if they rose from the dead and went back, they would not be believed.

How can these people be saying they have done exactly that? And why oh why do so many apparently mature Christians not only believe them, but urge others, including unbelievers and even children to read this stuff?

It is a tragedy, because it undermines the Bible and causes fear, and fear takes one heck of a lot of getting rid of for some, especially those who have a distorted picture of God before they come to know Him.
Hmm, fear and bondage, I wonder who is behind all that then?

(Sorry, was I ranting a little!:o )

God bless, love Sue

 

[BenAdam]

What about Dr. Ebe's tale?

 

[rapturefish]

I had a very bad "feeling" about all her books.
I am not going to crit to much... but in one there is a christian in hell who is burning up over and over and over... all the while begging God/Jesus for help and asking why this happened to her.
If I recal there is no reason given for this and so... it just instills doubt about our security as believers. It is scary. You do not want to in any way down play the seriousness of the matter, but wow. That book is out there.

Feeling bad about it is one thing, but as with any feelings, one needs to find out why, what the root is behind the way one feels.

Giving a feeling of insecurity about our salvation is not necessarily a bad thing for the right person. It causes us to question the root of our faith. If we work through that and come out with the promises of scripture ringing true to our ears, then we'll be the better for it. It is true that people ultimately don't know for certain the future endpoint for some in our churches, and sometimes people are even unaware that they themselves could be non-christian despite appearances.

I believe the book is meant to be mainly for those who need to be warned. A look in the mirror if you will about the road they are heading down. If they heed the warning they will come to the Lord and be saved from it.

But "the Lord knows those who are his", and "everyone who calls on the name of the Lod will be saved". If we believe with our hearts and confess with our tongue that Jesus is Lord, then we will be saved.

To me there is enough indication in the New Testament that while one can take security in those promises christians are also told to keep a check on their faith and ensure their walk is right.

 

[Amb1]

You can be sick all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that the firer is here on earth right now and the believers are passing through it. Those who do not believe will be cast into the biggest fire of all time, not to come out purified, but to meet the end that they have chosen for themselves.

The problem with you people is you lack the mercy and love of God. You talk about a child of God, and yes, we are ALL God's children, going to Hell without a sense of sorrow or empathy in your hearts. You are the ones who truely need a revelation of Hell.

 

[Andrew]

Ugh!

I have heard one or two authors or speakers mention people who claim to have been taken by the Lord into hell, allowwed to suffer the most horrendous experiences there, and told to come back and warn everyone.

A lot of it sounds extremely extra-biblical, even anti-biblical, but they justify it by saying that the unbelievers need to hear this.

As if the Bible doesn't say enough already to make an informed decision?
Why would God add new, detailed, personal experiences so that people who regfuse to read His word can be given someone else's version instead, and so that will save them?

In the story of Lazarus and the rich man we are told nobody can cross the chasm, and even if they rose from the dead and went back, they would not be believed.

How can these people be saying they have done exactly that? And why oh why do so many apparently mature Christians not only believe them, but urge others, including unbelievers and even children to read this stuff?

It is a tragedy, because it undermines the Bible and causes fear, and fear takes one heck of a lot of getting rid of for some, especially those who have a distorted picture of God before they come to know Him.
Hmm, fear and bondage, I wonder who is behind all that then?

(Sorry, was I ranting a little!:o )

God bless, love Sue

I say why not? If the experience turns him to Jesus and makes him a gospel preacher. An eg would be the late Bro Hagin.

I don't think God in scarying these people into heaven, but in His grace, he allows these people to 'experience' what they are otherwise heading for so that they can be saved.

 

[KleinerApfel]

If, as claimed, it's necessary for the lost to expereince hell first-hand in order to "believe", then why does the "Jesus" in this story tell the woman to pass on the info - after all, it has just been claimed that first-hand experience is the only way they will believe!
Also, if it can be done for her, why don't all get that opportunity?
And how is that called "faith" anyway, if it requires sight?

And don't forget, this woman was already a saved child of God when she was shown this. So she personally didn't need it.

Maybe someone will be saved through hearing her tale, maybe. But why would they believe her and not the Bible? I wouldn't take the word of a fellow human being who came up with such a story, would you, turly, would you?

We need to ask - is it true? Did Jesus say those contradictory thigs, did Jesus take her to expereince the horrors He dies to separate her from for eternity?
Can you comprehend that the Lord Jesus as represented in His word would act in a manner that contradicts what He already said there, and to one woman alone without witness?
I think it is a misrepresentation of my Saviour to say he would do and say such things.

Anyone able to answer my questions?
God bless, love Sue

 

[Alpine]

I flipped through Baxter's book once and had a very bad feeling about it. For one thing she has a very legalistic view of Christianity. If you had any sin in your life at all you were in danger of hell according to her. I walked out of that store feeling very condemned.

Also she portrayed demons almost as if they were insects. I thought her descriptions were kind of odd.

I read both of Ebe's books (he claimed to go to both heaven and hell) and I enjoyed them greatly, though what disturbed me about his books is he claimed Jesus told him he wouldn't die until Jesus came again. I wonder if he's still alive? he's got to be nearing 100 now if he is.

 

[Andrew]

If, as claimed, it's necessary for the lost to expereince hell first-hand in order to "believe", then why does the "Jesus" in this story tell the woman to pass on the info - after all, it has just been claimed that first-hand experience is the only way they will believe!
Also, if it can be done for her, why don't all get that opportunity?
And how is that called "faith" anyway, if it requires sight?

And don't forget, this woman was already a saved child of God when she was shown this. So she personally didn't need it.

Maybe someone will be saved through hearing her tale, maybe. But why would they believe her and not the Bible? I wouldn't take the word of a fellow human being who came up with such a story, would you, turly, would you?

We need to ask - is it true? Did Jesus say those contradictory thigs, did Jesus take her to expereince the horrors He dies to separate her from for eternity?
Can you comprehend that the Lord Jesus as represented in His word would act in a manner that contradicts what He already said there, and to one woman alone without witness?
I think it is a misrepresentation of my Saviour to say he would do and say such things.

Anyone able to answer my questions?
God bless, love Sue

I'm just speaking in general and not refering to any person's story or testimony.

All I'm saying is that it is possible, but is more the exception rather than the norm.

Whether it comes to the sinner as a dream, vision or "near-death experience" doesn't matter. I'm happy if it makes him turn to Jesus, and tell other sinners about a hell to shun and a heaven to gain.

 

[Hadron]

The problem with you people is you lack the mercy and love of God. You talk about a child of God, and yes, we are ALL God's children, going to Hell without a sense of sorrow or empathy in your hearts. You are the ones who truely need a revelation of Hell.

How sensitive and gracious of you.

 

[Pointman7]

I was taking a literature class and required to read classics. One of them was called Divine Comedy, by Dante Alighieri written in 1300. The poet tells in the first person his travel through the three realms of the dead. The words at the entrance to hell, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" along with this fictional journey shock me more than The Divine Revelation of Hell.