Dissapointment

[drich0150]

Does this mean you will not be helping me with my study of love by explaining to me what you think the fluff part of real love is? It's the one question I was anxious for an answer on...what part of real love is fluff?

"this means" After your rewording of your message on the book of Job I stopped reading, till I got to the part I highlighted, and checked off with a

Why?

"She" who can be trusted with little can be trusted with much. Likewise she who will deceive over little, will deceive that much more when her pride is truly at stake.

If you are not trust worthy enough to admit a mistake when you misquote scripture, then know the part of the conversation that was to be representing God is over. The only thing left is breaking you down for sport. Since you confessed a broken spirit I did not see a need to rip open any wounds and rub salt in them. So I left the conversation with a

Do you have any other questions? (not challenges)

 

[razzelflabben]

"this means" After your rewording of your message on the book of Job I stopped reading, till I got to the part I highlighted, and checked off with a

Why?

"She" who can be trusted with little can be trusted with much. Likewise she who will deceive over little, will deceive that much more when her pride is truly at stake.

If you are not trust worthy enough to admit a mistake when you misquote scripture,

what misquote...if you are gonna make the accusation, at least show me my mistake...where did I misquote scripture? How can I correct something if I don't know where I made a mistake?

then know the part of the conversation that was to be representing God is over.

I don't even know what that means..

The only thing left is breaking you down for sport.

that sounds like a challenge...I know of no scripture that I misquoted...if you have one, show it...if not, try to take me down, it will be a fun debate to be sure.

Since you confessed a broken spirit I did not see a need to rip open any wounds and rub salt in them. So I left the conversation with a

I have no idea what you actually think is being said...it is as if you read nothing that I type..ah well, without some kind of knowledge as to what you think I have wrong, I guess you simply don't love me enough to rescue me from some sin you think I have committed....to bad, God calls us to actually Love one another.

Do you have any other questions? (not challenges)

I present two questions...two questions I would love answers to...
1. what part of real love to you think is fluff?
2. what scripture do you think I misquoted? And what was the misquote? aka what part did I get wrong? (three questions just to clarify using different wording)

 

[razzelflabben]

Job chapter 1..God has a hedge around Job, the hedge does not leave, but Satan has permission to do what he will within God's limits...iow's God is still there loving Job.

Job chapter 2..again, God is limiting what Satan can do...iow's God is still there loving Job.

Job chapter 3..Job cries about his situation

Job chapter 4..friends attack him

Job chapter 5..Notice the proclaimations of how God loves us....God is still there, still loving Job...

Now, fast forward to chapters 40-42...look at the reason God allowed all this to come upon Job...it is really quite amazing and beautiful...He ends the whole ordeal by teaching Job what he did not understand and then bless him abundantly for his faithfulness. Just as God promises to bless us for our faithfulness through the trials.


I asked you what you meant, what you wanted as a response to your questions of Job. You refused to answer the question but instead accused me of some nonsense when I said that God was still there loving Job. What Job needed to understand is that God was loving him throughout the entire ordeal. When we learn the same lesson, when we grasp that love allows these trials and struggles, we can begin to find real healing.

 

[drich0150]

what misquote...if you are gonna make the accusation, at least show me my mistake...where did I misquote scripture?

Taken from post 15:

God was in fact there, loving Job, and on top of it all, God was telling Job he was of great value...

In the first three chapters When all of these things were happening God did not speak to Job assuring Him of his "love." God did not speak to Job till chapter 38, and again it was not to tell Job of his "love." If anything God put Job in his place, and humbled Him for questioning God's actions.

"In the End" God never say anything to Job about what Happened or why. Job simply received a double measure of blessing in the end.

How can I correct something if I don't know where I made a mistake?

I highlighted all of thisin my original follow up, you chose to deny the correction and move on.

I don't even know what that means..

It mean that if your not willing to yield to scripture or represent it correctly, then we are no long having a conversation that represents God. What is left is an excessive in pride. Who is right for the sake of being right, and because you have taken the bible off of the table then there is no standard in which to hold your word accountable to. Apparently you will start "claiming" authority that has nothing to do with scripture.

that sounds like a challenge...

Because you do not know what was being said.

I know of no scripture that I misquoted...

If you truly don't then that is more freighting than if this was all planned.

if you have one, show it...if not, try to take me down, it will be a fun debate to be sure. I have no idea what you actually think is being said...it is as if you read nothing that I type..ah well, without some kind of knowledge as to what you think I have wrong, I guess you simply don't love me enough to rescue me from some sin you think I have committed....

No, it just i love God more. I will not take His biblically backed precepts and drag them through the mud of a conversation. of one who says she holds scripture as her bench mark, but who's actions do not reflect this proclamation.

I have taken the time to point out a key stone fault in your system of belief. One that effects all of your abilities to gather compile and share what you know of God. This includes the message of love you want to share. If you will not address this fault then anything else I point out will be explained away with the same logic you used to change the meaning of Job to fit your argument, or if I some how manage to beat you back into a corner. you will pick a trivial reason, and simply dismiss all that I had to say.

Again just because "love" does not follow your model of it, does not mean it is not there.

to bad, God calls us to actually Love one another.I present two questions...two questions I would love answers to...
1. what part of real love to you think is fluff?
2. what scripture do you think I misquoted? And what was the misquote? aka what part did I get wrong? (three questions just to clarify using different wording)

I have shown you your misquote, but will not get into a "love" debate here. Start another thread, and if we can resolve your acceptance of scripture then maybe we will move on.

 

[razzelflabben]

Taken from post 15:

God was in fact there, loving Job, and on top of it all, God was telling Job he was of great value...

Well first off that was not a quote..quotes have quotation marks....secondly, any time God tells us He loves us, He is telling us we have great value....and thirdly, God did continue to tell Job He loved HIm, see the more detailed post...it appears you don't really know what biblical love, God love really is...

In the first three chapters When all of these things were happening God did not speak to Job assuring Him of his "love."

right, in fact, there is no indication that Job had any clue that any of this was going on...so are you then suggesting that the only way we can know God loves us, the only way God can tell us He loves us is if He audibly says, "I love you"? I have a host of passages you need to look at if that is really what you think. If it isn't what you think, you did not make your point, because God was still telling Job He was loved.

God did not speak to Job till chapter 38, and again it was not to tell Job of his "love." If anything God put Job in his place, and humbled Him for questioning God's actions.

see above...scripture tells us that God is love, as such, there is nothing He can do that does not tell us we are Loved. Love is His very nature. If He is involved, we are being told we are loved...and btw, one of the pictures we have of God's love is King Love, one of the very first things we see in King Love is His sovereignty...IOW's God's sovereignty, which is what God taught Job is a demonstration of love, God's sovereignty is in fact, God whispering to us, (including Job) I love you, you are of great worth to me.

IOW's through out the book of Job, throughout Job's life, even this ordeal, God was telling Job, just like He is telling us, that we are loved and of great value...we have a love value beyond words. I challenge you to show otherwise since that is your claim...show where God no longer was God in Jobs life. Show where in the book of Job, God stopped being His God, stopped telling Job He was loved....I would love to see the passage especially since we will soon be taking a class on Job...what passage says God stopped being God to Job, stopped telling Him He was loved....?

"In the End" God never say anything to Job about what Happened or why. Job simply received a double measure of blessing in the end.

read it again, God told Job that He was sovereign...Sovereignty is one of the Love notes God has for us. It is one of many ways God tells us we are loved and of great worth....

If you have trouble wrapping your mind around the idea that we tell people how we feel about them often times without words, consider how we tell our spouse or our children they are loved. It isn't just when we say "I love you" that we tell them they are loved, it is also when we provide meals, spend time, hug, take them places, etc. that we say we love.

If you have a hard time understanding God's sovereignty as being a love note, consider a young child. They are too young to know what they need, too young to provide for themselves, and so the parent says, I will provide your every need, for I know what you need and want only what is best for you...that is sovereignty and that shows love.

Not sure what other parts of this you might not be able to grasp...

I highlighted all of thisin my original follow up, you chose to deny the correction and move on.

I did not deny any correction, please retract your false claims...and just for the record I don't even know what you are referring to here (as in specifics) in that you refused to respond to most of what I said and never yet have answered the questions I asked you.

It mean that if your not willing to yield to scripture or represent it correctly, then we are no long having a conversation that represents God.

awesome, I agree completely, but you have yet to show how I misrepresented any scripture...I have however shown and am willing to assume you don't yet realize you are misrepresenting scripture. IOW's when I am confident that you know you are dismissing what scripture really says, or that you show me with specifics how I am wrong about scripture, I will wash my hands of the entire thing...so far you have shown a lack of understanding of both scripture and what I have said, and I have pointed that out in detail...now we will see if you are willing to debate according to scripture or not.

What is left is an excessive in pride. Who is right for the sake of being right, and because you have taken the bible off of the table then there is no standard in which to hold your word accountable to. Apparently you will start "claiming" authority that has nothing to do with scripture.

Scripture is the only thing I will argue with. IOW's if we remove scripture from the table, it is a fruitless debate in which I am told by that same scripture to avoid, which is why I eagerly await your response, so I know if you have removed scripture or not.

Because you do not know what was being said.

If you truly don't then that is more freighting than if this was all planned.

your claim of misquote was not even a quote, so it could not be a misquote which shows you to be the one who needs to grow in understanding...

No, it just i love God more.

God loves enough to correct when we are wrong and calls us to the same love....you dear one, have failed to love if you really think I misquoted scripture...but as shown, you read into my post a quote that was not there and in doing so, bore false witness...how is a false witness of a brother Love? How is bearing false witness against a brother loving God? Sounds like you have a pride issue to me...

I will not take His biblically backed precepts and drag them through the mud of a conversation. of one who says she holds scripture as her bench mark, but who's actions do not reflect this proclamation.

how so? I asked before and I will ask again, if you love God as you claim, then obey His command to love me and tell me what I have wrong....

I have taken the time to point out a key stone fault in your system of belief. One that effects all of your abilities to gather compile and share what you know of God. This includes the message of love you want to share. If you will not address this fault then anything else I point out will be explained away with the same logic you used to change the meaning of Job to fit your argument, or if I some how manage to beat you back into a corner. you will pick a trivial reason, and simply dismiss all that I had to say.

so, you think that God failed to love Job...you think that God's sovereignty is not Love...okay, please show me this in scripture...please show me the passages I have missed in my hours and hours of study on biblical love..what passage says that God stopped loving Job? What scripture says that God's sovereignty is a Love note to us His people? I am really anxious to fully know the answer so that I might repent in full knowledge and understanding of God's love, a love that is the very nature of God...
1 John 4:8

New International Version (NIV)

8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Again just because "love" does not follow your model of it, does not mean it is not there.

My model???? What makes you think it's my model????? As I said, I have been studying Biblcial love for quite a few years now, I assure you, I have found many surprises, been challenged beyond my ability without the HS, and continue to learn just how high and deep and wide and full God's love really is. What I am talking about is not my idea or model of love, but the one I discovered in scripture when I poured out myself to Him and asked Him to fill me only with His truth, His Love, His understanding. My model of love, ceased to exist long ago...God's model is much more impressive and challenging...you should spend some time getting aquainted with it, you will not be disappointed, a guarentee it.

I have shown you your misquote,

then I missed it...in fact, in this very post you accuse me of misquoting by referencing a comment that was not a quote of anyone at all, just a comment I made that sums up the very nature of God and all the ways He tries to tell us He loves us. If you want to accuse me of misquoting scripture, please do so by showing where I misquoted scripture...thanks, otherwise, a Godly man would retract their false accusations and repent of bearing false witness against a brother...

but will not get into a "love" debate here.

?????????? The entire point of contention is over Love, so what is it then that you want to debate? My only disagreement with you is that you used a word that is often used to stir others to feelings of despair, depression and hopelessness, rather than words that reveal the nature and heart of a God whose love knows no bounds...and because of this disagreement, you argue with me then tell me you will not debate "Love". What then do you disagree with me on, and why are we still talking? You have used false witness against me, you have ignored me, you have lacked love toward me, you have insulted me and my covenant with God, shown pride in your posts, and a few other things, only to now come and say, you will no longer talk about what we disagree about...what then is your beef?

Start another thread, and if we can resolve your acceptance of scripture then maybe we will move on.

I'd love that, the last time I started a thread about Love no one was willing to talk...maybe I had a wrong board, what board do you think it should be on? Come join me here http://www.christianforums.com/t7565322/#post57635426

 

[drich0150]

God was in fact there, loving Job, and on top of it all, God was telling Job he was of great value...

Well first off that was not a quote..quotes have quotation

Putting your message in a quote box makes it a quotation.

secondly, any time God tells us He loves us, He is telling us we have great value....

Secondly, that is not what you said. look up the actual quote in question. <staff edit> The original quote being discussed has you implying God told Job while He was going through his trials, That He was loved there by implying that we should also fluff up someone going through a trial.

In the truth of the matter that I pointed out, nowhere in the first 4 chapters when Job was going through said trials, did God even speak to Job. God in fact did not speak to Job till chapter 38. And when He did it was not to tell Him that He loved Him. God rebuked Job for 2 chapters asking him one pride smashing question after another until Job relented.. Job's only sin, was he wanted to know why he was made to suffer. (He felt that God owed Him an explanation) This story in no way was an excessive in fluffy love by any stretch. This was an excessive in Righteous Authority.

and thirdly, God did continue to tell Job He loved Him, see the more detailed post...

This comment invalidates the rest. unless we can come to a resolution here there is no need for me to read any further.

Show me Book Chapter and Verse where God literally said this to Job, or made amends before his/Job's "Pride" was resolved. By pride I mean to say where Job thought God owed Him an explanation as to His actions. <staff edit>

 

[razzelflabben]

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Righteous Authority is a part of real love, which is why I have been asking where the "fluff" of real love really lies

We can say "I Love YOU" through words or actions...that being that saying "I Love You" can be words or actions and what we see in the first part of the book of Job is actions that say "I Love You".


I was asked to show where God apologized to Job, but I don't know what makes anyone think Job needed an apology? God did nothing wrong, what should He apologize to Job for?

 

[drich0150]

??????????? so if I make a comment in reference to a random topic...let's say that I say, the moon is made of green cheese, you can put a quote around it and claim that I said that President Obama said "the moon is made of green cheese" because you put a quote around it???? How crazy is that!!!!! Listen, how the English lang. works is that if I am quoting someone or something, I put quotation marks around it. Without those quotation marks, the written lang. is identifying the comment as being mine and not a quote from someone else.

Following the literary rules of the English lang. then, what we have is me making a comment about a topic (in this case Job)...you put quotation marks around my remarks thus breaking the rules and trying to attribute my comment as a quote by me...talk about dishonest posting...I'm thinking that crosses the flaming rule. The question is, do you really not know that you can't reinvent someones comments or are you just too prideful to admit you made a mistake....we will know soon enough I guess.

I absolutely love to see you people turn to grading papers rather than putting your attention towards the actual meat of the conversation. It usually means that the conversation is truly over. Why else turn to petty interpretations of the language when more pressing matters are at stake?

Those who can, Do. those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach grade papers.

Did I make the comment? Yes, without hesitated admission.

then why make the fuss you just made?

Was it a quote from Job? Nothing in the original post said, suggested, hinted, or even questioned that it was another other than a comment made by me about the topic.

Was it a quote about your interpretation of Job? Yes it was with out doubt or hesitation.

Did you misrepresent the book of Job in your interpretation? Yes you did.

Were you shown the error of your interpretation in light of what scripture actually says? yes you were.

Did you amend your statement to align it with what scripture teaches? No you did not, rather you are trying to change the perception of your message.


This is what happens when you teach a doctrine of self worth over that of Humility and brokenness towards God. People puff and Fluff themselves up and can not admit when they are wrong. In the end no matter how right what you believe seems to be, it is a doctrine of self serving pride that you teach. Wrapped in a fluffy love

IOW's to call it me quoting the book of Job is a lie, and I would suggest if you don't want reported for flaming, you refrain from furthering your lies to achieve some personal goal. You made the claim that I somehow misquoted scripture..but you fail to show any time in which this happened.

You said point blank that God was there telling Job that he was of great value, when in fact He did not tell Job anything of the sort. Matter of fact He rebuked Job for questioning him/God as to the nature/reason of his trial.

This is cut and pasted from post 16 paragraph 2:

God was in fact there, loving Job, and on top of it all, God was telling Job he was of great value...something that is missing when we tell people they deserve all the bad, without ever telling them they also deserve the good.

as I asked before Give us book Chapter and verse to this reference please. Where did God do this, in word or deed during Job's trial?

Nor have I don't anything wrong to you. There is nothing to apologize for...[/

your apology is not to me, as you have not wronged me with your deceitful message. Your apology should be to those who look to you for sound Christian/biblically based advise.

i only ask you to do this as a measure of your humility. If you serve God you will humble yourself before His word. If you do not then it will be more difficult if not impossible for you to do this.

If you wish to continue to study as you have so indicated I need to know you can and will yield yourself to the authority found in scripture, and that you have not indoctrinated yourself with the "love" doctrine you have created to the point of self sustaining righteousness. Otherwise what is the point?

 

[razzelflabben]

I absolutely love to see you people turn to grading papers rather than putting your attention towards the actual meat of the conversation. It usually means that the conversation is truly over. Why else turn to petty interpretations of the language when more pressing matters are at stake?

wow, really?!? you claimed I misquoted scripture...I showed you that there was nothing quoted and pointed out how one knows that...your response was that when you push the quote button, quotes appear therefore I was quoting scripture....which is total nonsense as I point out...your "wise" response is that I'm not grading papers...news flash, I don't have to grade anything for people to know your argument is total nonsense.

Those who can, Do. those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach grade papers.

then why make the fuss you just made?

because your claim was that it was a misquote of scripture. It wasn't a quote of anything, it was a comment, a commentary so to speak on the book of Job and the nature of God. In fact, when I asked you to show me where I misquoted scripture, you pulled out a commentary note I wrote about a text and called it a misquote of scripture...that dear brother is deception and misrepresentation, and flaming.

Was it a quote about your interpretation of Job? Yes it was with out doubt or hesitation.

exactly...it was a quote from me, not scripture...it was my understanding of the book of Job coupled with my understanding of God's amazing love, not a quote from scripture, but a commentary of scripture...vastly different things, and when you were called on it, you insisted that when you pressed the quote button, quotations appeared therefore it was me misquoting scripture....

Did you misrepresent the book of Job in your interpretation? Yes you did.

not in the least....God is Love, that is an exact quote from scripture and the passage in which that phrase in located was presented, there is another as well. If God is LOve, not God has within Him the capacity to love, or God loves when He so desires, or some other warped claim, but God IS Love...If then God is Love everything He does is with the motive of Love. When we add the already discussed passages that Love sums up all the law and prophets as well as fulfills the law, we must come to only one conclusion...Either scripture lies (something I would advice not believing) or when God allowed Job to be attacked by Satan, the motive was one of Love...which is exactly what I said. God loved Job and told him (through actions) that he was of great love value to HIM. Amen! Praise the Lord! God IS Love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Were you shown the error of your interpretation in light of what scripture actually says? yes you were.

No not yet, I'm anxious for you to do so.

Did you amend your statement to align it with what scripture teaches?

No amendment was called for, you have not yet shown where God stopped loving Job.

No you did not, rather you are trying to change the perception of your message.

I have changed nothing at all about what I said, if you perceive a change it might be because you are beginning to read what I said not try to force your bias into the posts. You have already admitted several times that your stopped reading long before the post ended.

This is what happens when you teach a doctrine of self worth over that of Humility and brokenness towards God.

well, see here, if you had read my posts you would know that
1. what I am suggesting is not self worth, but Love worth...God worth
2. that humility is the very core, the essence, the center of what real Love is
3. brokenness is where healing begins, but true brokenness is about understanding who Christ is, not who we are...but, you would have to actually read my posts to understand any of that, and by your own admission, you haven't read them, because in your pride you presumed to know what I was saying.

People puff and Fluff themselves up and can not admit when they are wrong. In the end no matter how right what you believe seems to be, it is a doctrine of self serving pride that you teach. Wrapped in a fluffy love

so, when I suggest that we remove our pride and live instead in the humility of real love, what I am teaching is that we should be prideful...how exactly does that work? You still haven't shown me the fluff of real love...I am anxious for you to do so.

You said point blank that God was there telling Job that he was of great value, when in fact He did not tell Job anything of the sort.

??????????????? God is always telling us that He loves us, through all different kinds of ways. Must we really go down that bunny path? There are a ton of passages...

Matter of fact He rebuked Job for questioning him/God as to the nature/reason of his trial.

which is exactly what I said, God needed Job to understand that He was sovereign, a sovereignty that speaks of His Love....iow's through the lessons of sovereignty, God told Job He was loved and of great value...which is what I said, time and time again.

This is cut and pasted from post 16 paragraph 2:


as I asked before Give us book Chapter and verse to this reference please. Where did God do this, in word or deed during Job's trial?

as I already stated...there are many different ways to tell someone they are loved, God told Job by limiting Satan's power over Job and by allowing Job to learn a lesson about God's love sovereignty....Chapter 1 and 2 are the first place we see this, then we see it again at the end of the book. This isn't rocket science dude...

your apology is not to me, as you have not wronged me with your deceitful message. Your apology should be to those who look to you for sound Christian/biblically based advise.

this is why I reported you for flaming, not only do you pretend I said things I didn't, not only do you bear false witness against me, but here, you attack my character without cause...scripture warns us of those who lack Love as you are here....

i only ask you to do this as a measure of your humility. If you serve God you will humble yourself before His word. If you do not then it will be more difficult if not impossible for you to do this.

I cannot even begin to count the number of times I have fallen before my Lord stripped of all pride, pouring out myself that He might fill me with only Himself...and shame on you for trying to judge whether or not I have or do come to Him in humility...that is not for you to judge, but rather His alone.

If you wish to continue to study as you have so indicated I need to know you can and will yield yourself to the authority found in scripture, and that you have not indoctrinated yourself with the "love" doctrine you have created to the point of self sustaining righteousness. Otherwise what is the point?

so, what you want is for me to bow before you and worship you rather than God? No thanks...I empty myself daily before my King and allow Him alone to quench my thirst. If the result of that is distasteful to you, it is a burden you must bear and take up with the Lord of Hosts. However, you have no right to ask me to follow you, you are a mere man....if you have something in scripture to present that I missed, by all means present it so that I too may partake of it's riches, but so far, all you have presented is lies and false witness mingled with character assassinations, something that is not part of God or His holy scriptures.

 

[drich0150]

wow, really?!? you claimed I misquoted scripture...I showed you that there was nothing quoted and pointed out how one knows that...your response was that when you push the quote button, quotes appear therefore I was quoting scripture....which is total nonsense as I point out...your "wise" response is that I'm not grading papers...news flash, I don't have to grade anything for people to know your argument is total nonsense. because your claim was that it was a misquote of scripture. It wasn't a quote of anything, it was a comment, a commentary so to speak on the book of Job and the nature of God. In fact, when I asked you to show me where I misquoted scripture, you pulled out a commentary note I wrote about a text and called it a misquote of scripture...that dear brother is deception and misrepresentation, and flaming. exactly...it was a quote from me, not scripture...it was my understanding of the book of Job coupled with my understanding of God's amazing love, not a quote from scripture, but a commentary of scripture...vastly different things, and when you were called on it, you insisted that when you pressed the quote button, quotations appeared therefore it was me misquoting scripture.... not in the least....God is Love, that is an exact quote from scripture and the passage in which that phrase in located was presented, there is another as well. If God is LOve, not God has within Him the capacity to love, or God loves when He so desires, or some other warped claim, but God IS Love...If then God is Love everything He does is with the motive of Love. When we add the already discussed passages that Love sums up all the law and prophets as well as fulfills the law, we must come to only one conclusion...Either scripture lies (something I would advice not believing) or when God allowed Job to be attacked by Satan, the motive was one of Love...which is exactly what I said. God loved Job and told him (through actions) that he was of great love value to HIM. Amen! Praise the Lord! God IS Love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No not yet, I'm anxious for you to do so. No amendment was called for, you have not yet shown where God stopped loving Job. I have changed nothing at all about what I said, if you perceive a change it might be because you are beginning to read what I said not try to force your bias into the posts. You have already admitted several times that your stopped reading long before the post ended. well, see here, if you had read my posts you would know that 1. what I am suggesting is not self worth, but Love worth...God worth2. that humility is the very core, the essence, the center of what real Love is3. brokenness is where healing begins, but true brokenness is about understanding who Christ is, not who we are...but, you would have to actually read my posts to understand any of that, and by your own admission, you haven't read them, because in your pride you presumed to know what I was saying. so, when I suggest that we remove our pride and live instead in the humility of real love, what I am teaching is that we should be prideful...how exactly does that work? You still haven't shown me the fluff of real love...I am anxious for you to do so. ??????????????? God is always telling us that He loves us, through all different kinds of ways. Must we really go down that bunny path? There are a ton of passages... which is exactly what I said, God needed Job to understand that He was sovereign, a sovereignty that speaks of His Love....iow's through the lessons of sovereignty, God told Job He was loved and of great value...which is what I said, time and time again. as I already stated...there are many different ways to tell someone they are loved, God told Job by limiting Satan's power over Job and by allowing Job to learn a lesson about God's love sovereignty....Chapter 1 and 2 are the first place we see this, then we see it again at the end of the book. This isn't rocket science dude... this is why I reported you for flaming, not only do you pretend I said things I didn't, not only do you bear false witness against me, but here, you attack my character without cause...scripture warns us of those who lack Love as you are here.... I cannot even begin to count the number of times I have fallen before my Lord stripped of all pride, pouring out myself that He might fill me with only Himself...and shame on you for trying to judge whether or not I have or do come to Him in humility...that is not for you to judge, but rather His alone.so, what you want is for me to bow before you and worship you rather than God? No thanks...I empty myself daily before my King and allow Him alone to quench my thirst. If the result of that is distasteful to you, it is a burden you must bear and take up with the Lord of Hosts. However, you have no right to ask me to follow you, you are a mere man....if you have something in scripture to present that I missed, by all means present it so that I too may partake of it's riches, but so far, all you have presented is lies and false witness mingled with character assassinations, something that is not part of God or His holy scriptures.

So, when you are confronted with the discrepancies of the truth in your representation of the book of Job, you dismiss the truth of scripture as "bunny paths?"

You do know those who take on the role to "teach" are scrutinized at their judgments much harder than everyone else do you not?
Is this the argument you are going to take before God? "Bunny paths?"

Or will you simply claim authority as you did with me, and tell God where you get the power to create your own doctrine? I say own doctrine because it is evident by your last few posts you will not yield your interpretation of the bible to what the bible actually says. (bunny paths)

It is like I told from the beginning. If some how I were to manage to Beat you back into a corner, and make you account for one of your ideas, verses what the bible teaches you would simply trivialize it and dismiss the biblically based precept.

Do you know How I knew you would do this? This behavior is modeled over and over in scriptures, by the Kings of self righteous behavior, the Pharisees. I knew when you could not accept that someone represented a potion of scripture in such a way as to conflict with your beloved personal doctrine, (even in the light of scripture) that you did not care what the bible says so much as you were concerned with how you wanted to represent the bible.

You did not know of the Righteousness found in the bible. Because Your righteousness came from a source outside of the bible. This source of "righteousness" no matter how you dress it or call upon it is coming from with in yourself.
Hence a Self sustaining righteousness or a self righteousness.

The self righteous do not need the bible because they derive righteousness from with in themselves. This is why you simply dismiss what the bible says as "bunny paths."

Just as i predicted you would..

My advise, next time i give you a and close the conversation, take it as a peace offering and leave sleeping dogs lie. That is unless you want to explore some more of your Anti Christian behavior.

If you wish to continue this conversation I ask that you either PM me or start your own thread.

 

[razzelflabben]

So, when you are confronted with the discrepancies of the truth in your representation of the book of Job, you dismiss the truth of scripture as "bunny paths?"

I still don't see any discrepancies...after repeatedly asking you for those discrepancies, you offer none...so if I can't find any and you don't show me any, what discrepancies of the truth am I suppose to "fix"? You keep claiming their there but you don't show me any....what you show me is your prejudice bias of the "God hates me" gospel.

You do know those who take on the role to "teach" are scrutinized at their judgments much harder than everyone else do you not?

I know this more than I would like, for no matter how hard I try to not teach, people still learn from me, which makes me terribly uncomfortable...I wonder if you grasp the magnitude of your false teachings about God and His incredible Love?

Is this the argument you are going to take before God? "Bunny paths?"

???????????? I tell you your off topic, asking me to go down a bunny path and you ask if that is the argument I am going to take before God? Well, if God asks me why I didn't discuss it with you on this forum, I guess that is what I would say...I would say to God, what he wanted to discuss was off topic (bunny path) and therefore I took it back to topic....I'm guess God will say, well done or something similar, especially since the topic of Love is such a huge one for God.

Or will you simply claim authority as you did with me, and tell God where you get the power to create your own doctrine?

how many times should I report you for this type of thing? It is not my own doctrine that we are talking about. In fact, I don't own any doctrine. What we are talking about is what scripture says, plain and simple, scripture says it, I believe it. If you don't want to talk scripture, that is your problem but when it comes to God and the truths of God, that is the only authority I will accept.

I say own doctrine because it is evident by your last few posts you will not yield your interpretation of the bible to what the bible actually says. (bunny paths)

more flaming, shame on you...

It is like I told from the beginning. If some how I were to manage to Beat you back into a corner, and make you account for one of your ideas, verses what the bible teaches you would simply trivialize it and dismiss the biblically based precept.

more flaming, shame on you..Instead of flaming why don't you try to offer a scriptural approach to the topic so we can both learn more about God and His truths?

Do you know How I knew you would do this? This behavior is modeled over and over in scriptures, by the Kings of self righteous behavior, the Pharisees. I knew when you could not accept that someone represented a potion of scripture in such a way as to conflict with your beloved personal doctrine, (even in the light of scripture) that you did not care what the bible says so much as you were concerned with how you wanted to represent the bible.

more flaming...shame on you....all you have to do is present scripture, instead you present your personal bias and then flame me with insults...where is the love in that? A love that we are told is the mark of any true believer? Why hide that love?

You did not know of the Righteousness found in the bible. Because Your righteousness came from a source outside of the bible. This source of "righteousness" no matter how you dress it or call upon it is coming from with in yourself.
Hence a Self sustaining righteousness or a self righteousness.

wow, that is a first when it comes to accusations of my character, and more flaming. Of all the evil things I have been accused of, no one ever has dared to even venture to call me self righteous, because they know that is a lie. The only righteousness that exists within me is God's righteousness, I may be a poor vessel for that righteousness, but God's righteousness is the only righteousness I have. Seems to me you would be well served to stop judging others based on what you do not know and begin to examine yourself for the things you have hidden deep within.

The self righteous do not need the bible because they derive righteousness from with in themselves. This is why you simply dismiss what the bible says as "bunny paths."

I have never once dismissed scripture....in fact, I have begged you to show me the scripture you think I am missing. Instead you offer me flammatory comments and false accusations and try to pull me off topic. Then when I refuse to be pulled into your misery, you bump up the flaming...what are you afraid of? Why so afraid of scripture and truth?

Just as i predicted you would..

My advise, next time i give you a and close the conversation, take it as a peace offering and leave sleeping dogs lie. That is unless you want to explore some more of your Anti Christian behavior.

What I ask you for was the scripture you think I missed...instead of giving me that you began with the flaming...how was I to know you are so fearful of scripture when you claim to love it?

If you wish to continue this conversation I ask that you either PM me or start your own thread.

I already started a thread and invited you over, why haven't you posted yet? Why pretend I didn't already invite you?

 

[drich0150]

I already started a thread and invited you over, why haven't you posted yet? Why pretend I didn't already invite you?

 

[razzelflabben]

???? you answer questions with a thumbs up???? no wonder we can't get anywhere....

 

[drich0150]

???? you answer questions with a thumbs up???? no wonder we can't get anywhere....