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Disprove Calvinist Soteriology

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NKJV omits the word "Lord" 66 times
NKJV omits the word "God" 51 times.
NKJV omits the word "heaven" 50 times.
NKJV omits the word "repent" 44 times.
NKJV omits the word "blood" 23 times.
NKJV omits the word "hell" 22 times.
NKJV omits the word "JEHOVAH" entirely.
NKJV omits the word "new testament" entirely.
NKJV omits the word "damnation"entirely.
NKJV omits the word "devils" entirely.
NKJV ignored the KJV Textus Receptus over 1,200 times.
NKJV replaced the the KJV Hebrew (Ben Chayyim) with the corrupt Stuttgart edition (Ben Asher) Old Testament.

That's just the New King James Version. How much more omitted words , entire omitted words and text other versions have.?
 
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So if you now why people change the word of God.

To make Gods word fit man made doctrines.
Example:The roman catholic church doctrines.

John Calvin was raised in the roman catholic church. John Calvin used a corrupted word of God.
 
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So if you now why people change the word of God.

To make Gods word fit man made doctrines.
Example:The roman catholic church doctrines.

John Calvin was raised in the roman catholic church. John Calvin used a corrupted word of God.
You realize that not only didn't Calvin speak English, but he died more than a half century before the AV was released?
 
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Virginia Ramey Mollenkott, best known for her "God of the Breasts" interpretation of El Shaddai, spent her 44-year professional career teaching college level English literature and language, but developed specializations in feminist theology and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender theology during the second half of that career.

She was born in Philadelphia's Temple University Hospital on January 28, 1932; married Frederick H. Mollenkott on June 17, 1954; had a son, Paul F. Mollenkott, on July 3, 1958; and was divorced in July 1973. She earned her B.A. from fundamentalist Bob Jones University in 1953; her M.A. at Temple University in 1955; her Ph.D. at New York University in 1964; and received an honorary Doctorate in Ministries from Samaritan College in 1989. She chaired the English Department at Shelton College, Ringwood, New Jersey, from 1955–1963 and at Nyack College, from 1963-1967. She then taught at William Paterson University from 1967 to 1997, chairing the English Department from 1972–1976 and since 1997 holding the position of Professor of English Emeritus.

Dr. Mollenkott served as an assistant editor of Seventeenth Century News from 1965–1975; as a stylistic consultant for the New International Version of the Bible for the American Bible Society from 1970–1978; as a member of the translation committee for An Inclusive Language Lectionary for the National Council of Churches from 1980–1988; on the Board of Pacem in Terris, Warwick, New York, from 1980–1990; on the Board of the Upper Room AIDS Ministry, Harlem, New York, from 1989–1994; on the Board of Kirkridge Retreat and Conference Center, Bangor, PA, from 1980–1991; on the Advisory Board of the Program on Gender and Society at the Rochester (New York) Divinity School from 1993–1996; as a manuscript evaluator for the Journal of Feminist Studies in Religion from 1994 to the present; as a contributing editor to The Witness from 1994 to 2000; and as a contributing editor to The Other Side from 2003-2007. She has delivered hundreds of guest lectures on feminist and LGBT theologies at churches, conferences, universities and seminaries throughout the United States.

Mollenkott's books include Adamant and Stone Chips, 1967; In Search of Balance, 1969; Women, Men and the Bible, 1977 (revised and updated in 1988; Korean translation in 1981); Speech, Silence Action, 1980; Is the Homosexual My Neighbor: A Positive Christian Response, 1978 (with Letha Dawson Scanzoni; revised and updated in 1994; won the Integrity Award, 1979); The Divine Feminine: Biblical Imagery of God as Female, 1983 (published in German, 1985; in French, 1990; and in Italian, 1993); Views from the Intersection, 1984 (with Catherine Barry); Godding; Human Responsibility and the Bible, 1987; Sensuous Spirituality: Out from Fundamentalism, 1982 (revised and expanded, 2008); Omnigender: A Trans-Religious Approach, 2001 (revised and updated, 2007; won the Lambda Literary Award, 2002; and the Ben Franklin Award, 2002); and Transgender Journeys, 2003 (with Vanessa Sheridan).

Dr. Mollenkott also edited a book of spiritual poems, Adam Among the Television Trees, 1971; and a volume of inter-religious dialogue, Women of Faith in Dialogue, 1987. Since 1997 she has served on the editorial board of Studies in Theology and Sexuality, based in the United Kingdom.

In 1992 Dr. Mollenkott received the New Jersey Lesbian and Gay Achievement Award, and in 1999 was the recipient of a Lifetime Achievement Award from SAGE (Senior Action in a Gay Environment).

She has been a lifetime member of the Modern Language Association, where she served on the Executive Committee of Religion and Literature from 1976–1980; and a lifetime member of the Milton Society of America, serving on the executive committee from 1974-1976. She has published dozens of articles in scholarly and literary journals as well as church-related publications, and is an active founding member of the Evangelical and Ecumenical Women's Caucus, better known as Christian Feminism Today.

A Democrat and trans-religious Christian, Dr. Mollenkott lives with her domestic partner Judith Suzannah Tilton at Cedar Crest Retirement Village; together they co-grandmother Virginia's three granddaughters. Dr. Mollenkott's archives are available at The Center for Gay and Lesbian Studies at the Pacific School of Religion.
 
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Thursday. Your not even using the K.J.V.

Other versions change 5% of Gods word for copy right reasons so they can make money.

You know other versions take out the deity of God, so much more. The other versions have verses taking out.


The KJV didn't even exist for 1600 years. Are you joking?
 
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No, they don't. And if you think so, then you are ignorant of Reformed Theology. Which means that you are arguing against something that you don't understand.

This is the typical tactic Calvinists often used. When painted into a corner they ignore the issue then try to turn the tables.

I posted scripture which directly refutes unconditional election, limited atonement, preservation of the saints, and irresistible grace. All of these doctrines are man made and are incompatible with scripture.
 
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This is the typical tactic Calvinists often used. When painted into a corner they ignore the issue then try to turn the tables.

I posted scripture which directly refutes unconditional election, limited atonement, preservation of the saints, and irresistible grace. All of these doctrines are man made and are incompatible with scripture.
It's not a "typical tactic". It's just the truth. When people post scripture with a "Gotcha" tone, and never bother to see if those verses are dealt with in Reformed theology (they are, surprise surprise), then I realize that not only do they not fully understand Reformed theology, they've never even really tried.

It would be like me saying that Catholics worship Mary, just so that you understand where I'm coming from.
 
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It's not a "typical tactic". It's just the truth. When people post scripture with a "Gotcha" tone, and never bother to see if those verses are dealt with in Reformed theology (they are, surprise surprise), then I realize that not only do they not fully understand Reformed theology, they've never even really tried.

It would be like me saying that Catholics worship Mary, just so that you understand where I'm coming from.


I've read plenty of reformed defenses and none of them address those scriptures adequately.

Yes or no, does a man reap what he sows?
 
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I've read plenty of reformed defenses and none of them address those scriptures adequately.

Yes or no, does a man reap what he sows?
I've already addressed this. And there's a difference between not being addressed adequately and you not agreeing.
 
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I've already addressed this. And there's a difference between not being addressed adequately and you not agreeing.


It's a yes or no question.

Please answer it rather than hiding.

Does a man reap what he sows?
 
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It's a yes or no question.

Please answer it rather than hiding.

Does a man reap what he sows?
I could never be good enough. Thankfully, I am in Christ and He's fulfilled all of the requirements.

I know I'll be judged. That's why I'm thankful I'm in Christ. Unlike some, I realize I could never be good enough.

I never said I wasn't striving for holiness. I really want to be like my Savior. I just know that no matter how "good" I am, I fall infinitely short.

Like I said...already addressed.
 
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That's an evasion. The answer is YES or NO?

Will a man reap what he sows?
It's not an evasion. Is you would go back you'd see that I have already addressed this in more detail than just a yes or no answer would accomplish.
 
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It's not an evasion. Is you would go back you'd see that I have already addressed this in more detail than just a yes or no answer would accomplish.


You know as well as I do that it is an evasion. As a Calvinist, your answer is NO. Since you realize that Calvinism's answer is directly contradicted by scripture, you won't answer.
 
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You know as well as I do that it is an evasion. As a Calvinist, your answer is NO. Since you realize that Calvinism's answer is directly contradicted by scripture, you won't answer.
At best you could say that scripture taken out of context contradicts Reformed theology. But not scripture as a whole.
 
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You're not going to find any Scriptures to disprove Calvinist ideas regarding eternal salvation, for Reformed theology--like all theologies--has very specific philosophical assumptions which form the foundation for its methodology in interpreting the Scriptures.

That is, you can quote proof-texts all day to the Reformed, but they will not see what appears to be so clear to others who do not assume their philosophical ideas about the nature of God, salvation, reality, etc. Rather, in every passage of Scripture that they read, they will inevitably find a resonance with their philosophical prejudices that will, in their minds at least, provide a convenient hermeneutical self-justification for what they already assume.

Now with that being said, let's be clear: this is the situation that everyone is in. The act of interpretation is inevitably an exercise in philosophy; therefore, whatever presuppositions and prejudices that one brings to the text will naturally present themselves as obvious within its pages.

So then, if a Calvinist, or anyone else claims that they have uncovered the "truth" of the Scriptures, they are self-deceived. All that they have discovered is what they have set out to find.
And this is the problem. Many tenets, including those on soteriology which involves the salvation of man, end up being a matter of no more than conjecture/opinion: may the "best" biblical exegete think he won.
 
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At best you could say that scripture taken out of context contradicts Reformed theology. But not scripture as a whole.


Feel free to give me the accurate context and interpretation of:

7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up
 
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Feel free to give me the accurate context and interpretation of:

7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up
Why should I?
I've read plenty of reformed defenses and none of them address those scriptures adequately.
 
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It's not a "typical tactic". It's just the truth. When people post scripture with a "Gotcha" tone, and never bother to see if those verses are dealt with in Reformed theology (they are, surprise surprise), then I realize that not only do they not fully understand Reformed theology, they've never even really tried.

It would be like me saying that Catholics worship Mary, just so that you understand where I'm coming from.

Hello Hammster. Maybe you will answer this question, which no other 'Calvinist' will answer.

We have predestined 4-point Calvinists and predestined 5-point Calvinists.

Who is telling the truth and who is lying?

This is not a 'gotcha' question; I am wanting a straight answer from your side. Or, do you not fully understand Reformed theology?

p.s. don't go to MarvinKnox for an anwwer; he hasn't and won't touch this question with a ten-foot pole.
 
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Hello Hammster. Maybe you will answer this question, which no other 'Calvinist' will answer.

We have predestined 4-point Calvinists and predestined 5-point Calvinists.

Who is telling the truth and who is lying?

This is not a 'gotcha' question; I am wanting a straight answer from your side. Or, do you not fully understand Reformed theology?

p.s. don't go to MarvinKnox for an anwwer; he hasn't and won't touch this question with a ten-foot pole.
While I consider them close brothers, I don't consider 4-pointers Calvinists.
 
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