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An appeal to emotion...... or even more directly an argumentum ad populum
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An appeal to emotion...... or even more directly an argumentum ad populumLast I checked Calvinists are a minority of all christians. Heck, calvinists are even a minority within evangelicalism. Same as churches of Christ who claim they are the only christians. small minority...and there are reasons for that...
I think that's the kind of closed-minded arrogance the previous writer was referring to. The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and what you will do with that.For a person to set out to disprove calvinism, they are set out on a quest to disprove the Gospel of God. You must understand, that calvinism is just a name that men have given truth of scripture.
So yours is the correct view? Just read it? Do we defer to you if we have questions?I think that's the kind of closed-minded arrogance the previous writer was referring to. The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and what you will do with that.
We all know the gospel was around before Calvin enlightened us, and before those who followed him and exaggerated his teachings enlightened us further.
I am simple folk, and somehow I believe the gospel can be seen in the scriptures without an arminian or a calvinist telling me how to interpret it before I read it.
Perhaps people would be better off just reading the gospel of John and deciding what they will do with it instead of listening to us.
Just a thought.
What are those reasons?Last I checked Calvinists are a minority of all christians. Heck, calvinists are even a minority within evangelicalism. Same as churches of Christ who claim they are the only christians. small minority...and there are reasons for that...
That people can come to Christ without the benefit of an arminian or calvinist education or slant, yes I believe this is the correct view, concerning that anyway. It may be something else to which you were referring.So yours is the correct view? Just read it? Do we defer to you if we have questions?
Actually, that would be the view of most Calvinists I know. However, we aren't witnessing on this thread. It isn't an outreach thread. It is a discussion thread. So we will continue to do so, each presenting their views.That people can come to Christ without the benefit of an arminian or calvinist education or slant, yes I believe this is the correct view, concerning that anyway.
That people can come to Christ without the benefit of an arminian or calvinist education or slant, yes I believe this is the correct view, concerning that anyway. It may be something else to which you were referring.
That the gospel is the work of Christ on the cross I believe is true. All that remains is my response to it.
That the gospel for the Christian is the further work of Christ on the cross I believe is true; and all that remains is my response to it. Of this much I'm pretty sure.
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The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and what you will do with that.
I'm sorry?Then how about teaching your fellow Calvinists to think outside the box. Like the two fellas who posted just above me (and below you). They imply that those who aren't Calvinist are blind, dead, and too stoopid.
there is no conversation in that, just declaration. like some churches of Christ saying they are the only christians. calvinists may give lip service that others are christians, but they clearly treat and perceive them - us - as 2nd class citizens.
Last I checked Calvinists are a minority of all christians. Heck, calvinists are even a minority within evangelicalism. Same as churches of Christ who claim they are the only christians. small minority...and there are reasons for that...
Yes it should.It should be truthfully emphasized who the work of the cross was for, and what it accomplished for them.
1 John 2:2hupo:
It is more than just that. The gospel explains for whom the death, burial, and resurrection is for, and what it accomplished for them.
When Paul stated that Christ died for our sins according to scripture, He was referring to the called of God, the church of God, and not the whole world.
Who He is, I agree with you. What His crucifixion means, I agree with you.One cannot properly preach Christ and Him crucified with out preaching exactly who Christ is [ biblically] and what His crucifixion means, who it was for, and what it accomplished !
Who it was for; that is just guess-work.
1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Yes it should.
2 Cor 5:15
and He died for all, that they who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
Ant:hupo:
Maybe for you it is guess work, but not for me, He died for His Sheep Jn 10:
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Ant:hupo:
The whole world of believers.
Again, you may add that if you so desire.
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