Disobedience has consequences.

[Messy]

I think we understand what you believe, but this sort of theology just rings hollow with some and they don't buy it. You do understand that, don't you?

Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.

People believe or don't believe in things based on their own experiences, education and psyche and they reach their conclusions on their own time.

 

[Colter]

My mind asks for evidence of this transcendent being.

I don't know, maybe I am goofy.

I don't think you are goofy, you just aren't cooperating with the plan of evolution, of finding the God of truth within the potential for error.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

If you can't stop sinning you're a slave to sin.

I serve no one with my life. I am no slave.

And I don't buy this snake oil you're selling, my good sir. Seems dubious.

God's forgiveness and demand to obey Him is much easier to accept for people who are not so good.

Are you claiming that I am no good? I am death itself. I am the highest good.

If I don't serve Him I serve the devil, really.

Wait what.

I was in a sinful relationship, I got totally insane, the devil could haunt me because I served him by sinning.

Oh no not another guilt trip! you're sending my OCD into a frenzy! (Must resist urge to probe)

God saying you need to obey Him is like a parent telling a kid not to take candy from a stranger.

Honestly with this supposed parent who'll murder me on a whim or torture me eternally for victimless and even thought crime, I'd feel so much safer with the dude in the van. Gotta tell ya.

I can't explain to you, but trust me kid, don't do that.

Again. This supposed parent hates my very existence and can't wait to kill me. "Hello yes, sir with the candy, I'll go with you now."

It's still the same old lie as in Genesis. God is evil.

He's pretty darn good at setting people up for failure, framing them as their fault, and then punishing them because he's narcissistic and a sadist. These are straight up predatory behaviors. Not to mention abusive.

And because you actually mentioned it as such this shows that you not only know and believe this, but you're willingly denying it. What on earth would you do that for? You lie only to yourself. You're not convincing me.

Do what you want to do yourself.

[Pretend there's an image portraying a popular joke here]

Oh, that's impossible, now you served satan.

What are you talking about?

I know which one I prefer if I have to choose between obeying God or satan.

Again, and it pains me to do this, what is your mind going through that free thought isn't even a term in your vocabulary? It seems you've become obsessed with obedience like you've done a lot of wrong and have this urge for structure. It sounds like the cry for help that was indeed answered with Christianity. You seem to haved wanted an authority figure in your life, someone to tell you yes/no, right/wrong, hot/cold because at some point you realized you couldn't do it yourself. Growing up means eventually you're going to have to do this on your own. Start making decisions grounded in your thoughts.

w00t 666 messages!

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think you are goofy, you just aren't cooperating with the plan of evolution, of finding the God of truth within the potential for error.

What plan? Could you provide some details?

 

[Colter]

Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.

that was message # 7777.....cool!

In the story of Jesus we can see that even miracles aren't convincing. Religious people can be blinded by dogma and doctrine as well. Jesus would do something or say something amazing and the orthodox Jews would say......"we notice you don't wash your hands before dinner."??????

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Yes but suppose you do see some great miracles and get convinced He exists and He gives you the choice: obey Me or obey satan.. I saw one say here that if he would believe he still wouldn't serve God. I can't understand that, but it must be because he doesn't believe and was never possessed by the devil. Then the choice is very easy and you experience that God is only good when He sets you free.

It seems like your life means nothing to you. This is very saddening to read. Where is your self esteem? You want him to be real so badly so you can give your life to him but why? Are you really done living already?

 

[TillICollapse]

666 messages!

That was your message 666 to her message 7777 ?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

That was your message 666 to her message 7777 ?

Loominaty

Weirdly he was actually right about the 10:58 being 47

5-1 = 4
8-1 = 7

Not sure if that was the intent but it was funny

 

[Davian]

Please don't do this.

lol.

I find it unlikely that he will make the attempt.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

God is not a big fluffy teddy bear that is all sugar coated rainbows and hugs. There are some Christians that might preach this, but then they're changing the Bible to fit them instead of changing themselves to fit the Bible. God is just like an earthly parent who wants His children to obey. Just like a parent has a need for discipline when it comes to a child's obedience, the same applies to the big picture. We are children of God regardless of your belief, and you are not exempt from making mistakes regardless of how 'good' you think you are. If you screw up as a kid, do you not ask your parents for forgiveness?

Yes. Just like how God forgave Adam and Eve.. Oh wait, that's right... He didn't just forgive them, but instead punished every single descendant that came after.

When they forgive you, do you then not except it?

What is there to accept? Actually it is up to them to accept my apology or not.

What causes you such heart hardheartedness that you are unwilling to treat your Heavenly Father the same?

Where is the evidence that such a father exists. Why should I feel like I'm letting someone down if they've never shown themselves to be present in my life, ever? I'm not going to ask for forgiveness from someone I don't believe exists for something I don't think I did. I don't feel the least bit guilty about it either.

God's wrath is real, and it will pour out on those who refuse to accept his forgiveness.

But He loves them, don't forget that..

God is a jealous God, and He does not want us worshiping anything over Him.

What kind of God feels jealousy? And jealous of what? It will be heartbreaking when my niece no longer looks up to her uncle but I would never think to punish her because of that. Why would God treat us that way?

If you do not believe in Him, than you believe in something else. A false idol.

Is the universe false? I believe in that.

The new false idols of this world are money, property, self, food, celebrities, etc.

Food?? Seriously, dude? FOOD? Do you not eat? I can't take you seriously when you include nourishment in a list of "false idols" along with money and celebrities.

When we love something worldly more than God we are living in sin. We must love God, each other, and put our faith in Him. He has chosen us, and we should be thankful. Follow the rules of the loving parent who created us, and remain obedient to the Word of God. "For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God." (1 Peter 2:15-16)

I love life and I love my family. I am thankful for the time I've been given in this universe and the time and place in which I live in and that is more than enough for me. For some, that is not enough, and I pity them.

 

[TillICollapse]

Loominaty

Weirdly he was actually right about the 10:58 being 47

5-1 = 4
8-1 = 7

Not sure if that was the intent but it was funny

Wut ? He was right about all of it of course.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

At a far away distance, there is a place called Hell. A rebelling child set up his mind and insisted to go there. What can the loving parents do?

Well I would hope the loving parents weren't the ones who created such a horrible place for their child to go.

 

[Messy]

I serve no one with my life. I am no slave.

And I don't buy this snake oil you're selling, my good sir. Seems dubious.

That's good for you. Just an example of being a slave: being addicted to smoking and wanting to stop, but not able to. I know atheists who just stopped, but I couldn't without God's help. Lol and they don't have that sign for female anymore.

Are you claiming that I am no good? I am death itself. I am the highest good.

No I said I was no good when I didn't serve Him.

Wait what.

Let's say I wasn't really normal and friendly when I didn't serve Him. I really hated a lot of people. When I got saved that was the first thing that had changed.

Honestly with this supposed parent who'll murder me on a whim or torture me eternally for victimless and even thought crime, I'd feel so much safer with the dude in the van. Gotta tell ya.

Well if hell is like they say God is not there torturing anyone. It's the kingdom of the dude with the nice looking fruit who's an expert in lying.

Again. This supposed parent hates my very existence and can't wait to kill me. "Hello yes, sir with the candy, I'll go with you now."

He proved that He loves you by dying for you. How do you know the dude with the candy is so nice? How did he prove that?

He's pretty darn good at setting people up for failure, framing them as their fault, and then punishing them because he's narcissistic and a sadist. These are straight up predatory behaviors. Not to mention abusive.

If He hadn't taken the punishment of sin Himself to reconcile us with Him I would agree. I've never seen a sadistic narcissistic sadist letting himself get killed for someone. I believe it was protection that they died so they could be saved and that He couldn't have known that Lucifer would become such a monster and invent sin. The demons became so bad and never had a chance to reconcile with Him, but man has.

What are you talking about?

By sinning Adam thought he could be like God and do what he wanted himself but he served the devil. Sinning is doing what he wants.

 

[GillDouglas]

Its like love, since there are so many variations on how it's explained by the paucity of language, it must just be imaginary. So much for logic.

Who needs logic when you have faith? I don't know know how electricity works, but I have faith the lights will turn on when I flip the switch.

 

[Cute Tink]

That's good for you. Just an example of being a slave: being addicted to smoking and wanting to stop, but not able to. I know atheists who just stopped, but I couldn't without God's help.

I quit, but honestly I couldn't until I had a serious reason to.

 

[bhsmte]

Who needs logic when you have faith? I don't know know how electricity works, but I have faith the lights will turn on when I flip the switch.

This where I think many believers and non believers simply use the term "faith" differently. Believers to me, tend to use the term faith much more often, when I personally don't believe the term applies.

To me, having faith means when you are banking on hope and if you are banking on hope, that would mean you don't possess evidence to support the position, so it requires this hope and faith.

When I turn on the light switch, I "trust" it is going to go on, because I have an objective track record of it doing so. Just as, I trust the sun will come up tomorrow and my car will start in the morning. All of these, have objective track records and reasons to indicate they will happen.

On faith, I have faith my favorite team will win the world series in the next few years, even though they haven't for over 100.

 

[juvenissun]

Well I would hope the loving presents weren't the ones who created such a horrible place for their child to go.

There is a need for such a horrible place for a general purpose. This is called the justification. We start to teach our children on that in their preschool age.

 

[GillDouglas]

This where I think many believers and non believers simply use the term "faith" differently. Believers to me, tend to use the term faith much more often, when I personally don't believe the term applies.

To me, having faith means when you are banking on hope and if you are banking on hope, that would mean you don't possess evidence to support the position, so it requires this hope and faith.

When I turn on the light switch, I "trust" it is going to go on, because I have an objective track record of it doing so. Just as, I trust the sun will come up tomorrow and my car will start in the morning. All of these, have objective track records and reasons to indicate they will happen.

On faith, I have faith my favorite team will win the world series in the next few years, even though they haven't for over 100.

Faith is hope in the unseen. If you've seen the lights come on, and they have a track record of working it's no longer faith.

 

[bhsmte]

Faith is hope in the unseen. If you've seen the lights come on, and they have a track record of working it's no longer faith.

Yep, that was my point and why I don't need faith to know the lights will go on.