Disobedience has consequences.

[True Scotsman]

God is not a big fluffy teddy bear that is all sugar coated rainbows and hugs. There are some Christians that might preach this, but then they're changing the Bible to fit them instead of changing themselves to fit the Bible. God is just like an earthly parent who wants His children to obey. Just like a parent has a need for discipline when it comes to a child's obedience, the same applies to the big picture. We are children of God regardless of your belief, and you are not exempt from making mistakes regardless of how 'good' you think you are. If you screw up as a kid, do you not ask your parents for forgiveness? When they forgive you, do you then not except it? What causes you such heart hardheartedness that you are unwilling to treat your Heavenly Father the same?

God's wrath is real, and it will pour out on those who refuse to accept his forgiveness. God is a jealous God, and He does not want us worshiping anything over Him. If you do not believe in Him, than you believe in something else. A false idol. The new false idols of this world are money, property, self, food, celebrities, etc. When we love something worldly more than God we are living in sin. We must love God, each other, and put our faith in Him. He has chosen us, and we should be thankful. Follow the rules of the loving parent who created us, and remain obedient to the Word of God. "For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God." (1 Peter 2:15-16)

It's interesting that almost every theist I run into has a different understanding of what God is. This is strong evidence to me that God is purely imaginary. Indeed, I can find no way of distinguishing each of these gods from something that is merely imaginary.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

God is not a big fluffy teddy bear that is all sugar coated rainbows and hugs.

I mean do you think the case of him being a mass murdering psycho came form thin air or are you just now catching on?

There are some Christians that might preach this, but then they're changing the Bible to fit them instead of changing themselves to fit the Bible.

Cherry pickers, delusional, fundies, etc pick a name.

God is just like an earthly parent who wants His children to obey.

Except he has some really arbitrary rules and flat out murders his children even if they didn't disobey them. He also blames them for crimes of another child. So he's a really messed up parent.

Just like a parent has a need for discipline when it comes to a child's obedience,

If he murders my son for something someone else entirely unrelated to me has done I wish no longer to even consider a being worth my obedience.

the same applies to the big picture. We are children of God regardless of your belief,

A bold assertion that rings untrue. I am a spawn of death. No god has a hold on me.

and you are not exempt from making mistakes regardless of how 'good' you think you are.

Foolhardy to think you are. But regardless I'm a good person.

If you screw up as a kid, do you not ask your parents for forgiveness?

No I didn't. They did anyway because I was a kid.

When they forgive you, do you then not except it?

I took it for granted.

What causes you such heart hardheartedness that you are unwilling to treat your Heavenly Father the same?

Because one he's not shown to exist anymore than lord Olodumare, Olofi, Olorun nor the Orisha Eshu. And two because he's one of the most demented sociopaths in all of fiction. What is wrong with you?

God's wrath is real,

A bold assertion that rings untrue. Death is the only wrath that is real.

and it will pour out on those who refuse to accept his forgiveness.

Okay, don't accept his forgiveness or be punished? I swear I wrote something on this... oh yea

"And two because he's one of the most demented sociopaths in all of fiction. What is wrong with you?"

God is a jealous God, and He does not want us worshiping anything over Him.

I don't even date jealous women why on earth would I worship a supposed man with such annoying qualities? Also can you not see the political attachment to this statement? Seriously?

If you do not believe in Him, than you believe in something else.

I believe in the one thing he fears. And he dares not touch me. But not everyone believes in "something" in this context.

A false idol.

Politics everyone. Pure politics.

The new false idols of this world are money, property, self, food, celebrities, etc.

Whoa that's a stretch.

When we love something worldly more than God we are living in sin.

Oh please, he's that much of a narcissist?

We must love God,

or what he'll cry?

each other,

Yes we should, because it's all we've got.

and put our faith in Him.

No. I have reason and understanding thank you.

He has chosen us, and we should be thankful.

For what?

Follow the rules of the loving parent who created us, and remain obedient to the Word of God.

Obedience is not given to something I cannot validate as real.

"For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God."

(1 Peter 2:15-16)

I serve no one with my life. I'm no slave.

 

[Colter]

It's interesting that almost every theist I run into has a different understanding of what God is. This is strong evidence to me that God is purely imaginary. Indeed, I can find no way of distinguishing each of these gods from something that is merely imaginary.

Its like love, since there are so many variations on how it's explained by the paucity of language, it must just be imaginary. So much for logic.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Its like love, since there are so many variations on how it's explained by the paucity of language, it must just be imaginary. So much for logic.

Love doesn't exist. Hasn't this been explained to you before?

 

[bhsmte]

Its like love, since there are so many variations on how it's explained by the paucity of language, it must just be imaginary. So much for logic.

If the human emotion described as love, which can vary from person to person also mean that; aliens, bigfoot and the Lochness monster exist?

 

[Colter]

If the human emotion described as love, which can vary from person to person also mean that; aliens, bigfoot and the Lochness monster exist?

Not necessarily, God endowed you with just a little common sense.

 

[bhsmte]

Not necessarily, God endowed you with just a little common sense.

When you can provide evidence of my ability to think, goes directly to a God, let me know.

 

[Colter]

When you can provide evidence of my ability to think, goes directly to a God, let me know.

A conscious mind, transcending the material, demanding evidence of transcendent beings, is really something other than logic.

 

[bhsmte]

A conscious mind, transcending the material, demanding evidence of transcendent beings, is really something other than logic.

My mind asks for evidence of this transcendent being.

I don't know, maybe I am goofy.

 

[Cute Tink]

If you screw up as a kid, do you not ask your parents for forgiveness?

Yes I did. My parents actually existed in my life though. I can see, hear, touch and even smell them. I know they exist. Why should I treat your God any better when he has been completely absent from me? How would you treat your mother or father if they had never been there then wanted to punish you for not choosing the job they wanted you to?

When they forgive you, do you then not except it?

Yes, again, they were actually involved in my life.

What causes you such heart hardheartedness that you are unwilling to treat your Heavenly Father the same?

If He ever makes himself known to me (I'm apathetic about the existence of gods because I realized that I never sensed any god in any way, shape or form) then maybe I'll feel like I have some reason to follow Him. Until then, he gets no treatment whatsoever from me.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

When you can provide evidence of my ability to think, goes directly to a God, let me know.

I always thought thinking was a direct consequence of having a brain. I mean wolves apparently have a much better understanding of numbers than common dogs (http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/humans-took-away-dogs-mathematical-abilities) which demonstrates that thinking may be more about brain capacity than a divine gift.

 

[Davian]

What you would be accountable to is after God revealing Himself to you and offering forgiveness, you choose to decline that offer.

I have had no gods reveal themselves to me, that I am aware of. Again, for what am I being held accountable?

 

[TillICollapse]

Not necessarily, God endowed you with just a little common sense.

Do you find awareness of the existence of God to be "common sense" ?

 

[Davian]

...

Are you living for yourself or for God?

I live for my family, and for myself. The only gods that I am aware of are characters in books.

 

[Davian]

You misunderstand. The point is meant to illustrate the nature of God being like a Father who cares enough to discipline His children.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

One does not need a god to live a good life

One needs a god for masochism.

 

[Davian]

A conscious mind, transcending the material, <snip>

Substantiate this "transcending the material" claim of yours.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Substantiate this "transcending the material" claim of yours.

Please don't do this.

 

[Messy]

I serve no one with my life. I'm no slave.

If you can't stop sinning you're a slave to sin.
God's forgiveness and demand to obey Him is much easier to accept for people who are not so good. If I don't serve Him I serve the devil, really. I was in a sinful relationship, I got totally insane, the devil could haunt me because I served him by sinning.
God saying you need to obey Him is like a parent telling a kid not to take candy from a stranger. I can't explain to you, but trust me kid, don't do that. It's still the same old lie as in Genesis. God is evil. Do what you want to do yourself. Oh, that's impossible, now you served satan. I know which one I prefer if I have to choose between obeying God or satan.

 

[bhsmte]

If you can't stop sinning you're a slave to sin.
God's forgiveness and demand to obey Him is much easier to accept for people who are not so good. If I don't serve Him I serve the devil, really. I was in a sinful relationship, I got totally insane, the devil could haunt me because I served him by sinning.
God saying you need to obey Him is like a parent telling a kid not to take candy from a stranger. I can't explain to you, but trust me kid, don't do that. It's still the same old lie as in Genesis. God is evil. Do what you want to do yourself. Oh, that's impossible, now you served satan. I know which one I prefer if I have to choose between obeying God or satan.

I think we understand what you believe, but this sort of theology just rings hollow with some and they don't buy it. You do understand that, don't you?