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Truthfully I believe Theist do have a difficult time with people of "different faith" to a greater degree than do theists and atheists do. For example, How many wars have been fought between the different faiths, verses how many millions have been slaughtered between theism and atheism?
You may well be right about this, I was mostly referring to the modern day and location of the USA. Perhaps I am apt to overlook conflicts amongst "factions" of which I am not a part.
Without a doubt we do have our issues. I believe that most of our irreconcilable differences stem from our classification of faith. In that most atheists have been trained to believe that their beliefs are indeed built on solid truths, when in reality their beliefs are built on facts. The difference being is not all facts are true. a fact is merely a statement that can be proved or disproved. For example All criminal court cases are built on facts. If all facts presented in a case could be considered truth, no innocent man would ever be, or have been convicted, likewise no guilty man would ever be acquitted. This is not the case. It is a true fact that the guilty walk free and the innocent are incarcerated.

Again Fact are not synonymous to truth. It is true that fact can be found or proved to be true, but just because someone can classify a statement as fact doesn't mean it is true.
I'll accept your definition for the sake of argument and for lack of better terminology to express what you are saying.
I say that to underline the following:
Because Atheist have a collective view on God.
In that we don't believe in him or in that we don't believe in the entire collective of gods (as in lumping them all up in one without giving one presidency over the other)? I'm just trying to clarify this statement to make sure I understand where you're coming from.
Because Atheists have a set doctrine or "rules" that govern who can be considered an atheist.
I would like to point out that the only "rule" to be an Atheist is that you don't believe in gods. An Atheist who believes they can talk to Elvis via walkie-talkie while he rides around in an alien spacecraft may very well be ostracized from any sort of Atheist community because most people would agree that he's bonkers, but that doesn't change that he's still technically an Atheist.
Because Atheist have an a collective account of origins.
I'm not sure about that one. There's been a slew of new ideas about the origins of the universe/multiverse (cyclical, fractal, doughnut shaped, bubble multiverses, flat, the list goes on) and honestly I've just given up trying to pick one until they come up with solid evidence. I'm perfectly content with saying that I don't honestly know. The only thing that I would say most Atheists agree on (I say most because, an origins view is not a prerequisite to being an Atheist) is that at some point there was an event which we refer to as the "big bang".
Because Most Atheists have a governing sense of morality.
I would agree, but also point out that most governing senses of morality come from society. Whether or not you agree is one thing, but I personally tend to think of morality as something that develops personally and is influenced by society. I don't really think it has anything to do with their Atheism.
Because Most atheists seem to have a need to seek out and save the "saved."
This is unfortunately true. I try to avoid this because I realize that a lot of people actually do require their religion to function as they do. I also think that people should always come to any philosophical, emotional, political, or religious position on their own as part of a personal journey rather than just accepting what someone else has told them. I think a position held with knowledge, especially come to from the outside, is more respectable than a position held from tradition no matter what that position may be.
That makes Atheism a religious expression. One independent of God, but it is still a faith none the less. We see it as A faith in facts.
In some cases perhaps, I would be cautious of applying that distinction to the entire group though, not only because Atheists are such a diverse group, but also because one of the definitions of faith is belief in something without proof. Faith in something in light of facts seems a bit oxymoronic to me, but I can see where "faith in facts" could be as I said earlier, a position held simply because someone became convinced of it, not entered into in knowledge.
Now Because you all argue from a tactically religious stand point but will not accept or acknowledge your religious involvement, it makes for a frustrating discussion. It can be like have a fat gym coach shouting at you that your efforts are not good enough from his golf cart, while eating a cheeseburger.
I can see where that would be frustrating. I'm not sure you should be saying that we all argue from a tactically religious stand point. I realize many will, and I know I certainly have in the past by the definition that you give above, but I try to refrain from it now in light of new perspective. My main concern now is understanding the religious position, not fighting against it unless a challenge is issued.
Outside of the hypocrisy i have mentioned, I have found that most atheists are genuinely hostile towards those who profess a theistic faith, particularly Christianity. Take some time and read some of those who come here to "seek christianity." It would seem that they are here to destroy the faiths of others rather than to simply explore christianity. I ask how does one explore something he has already made his mind up on?
Again you are unfortunately correct
If this is not the case then why is there such a need to catalog in such great detail the "greater" attributes of one's faith over another's? Especially in a forum that is dedicated to the other person's faith? or more so to the point the exploration of the other person's faith.

Which for me points back to the atheist's version of the "Great commission."
It seems as if some of you are on a mission to seek out and save the "saved." by destroying what the saved believe, and replace it with your faith in "fact." Why?
I think most people are apt to try and convince others of opinions they themselves hold. Most people tend to think that the world would be better if everyone ascribed to their personal beliefs. After all, if you didn't think you had the best set of beliefs for your situation, then you wouldn't hold them. What people don't realize is that there are many different situations, and in some cases the beliefs you hold simply aren't healthy or beneficial to other parties at this moment in time.

I believe so that it may free you from God's moral code so that you may live in one of your own choosing.
If Atheists believed that they needed to escape from God's moral code then they would believe in God and thus no longer be Atheists. If I believed in God I don't think I would be so stupid as to deny him.
 
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In that we don't believe in him or in that we don't believe in the entire collective of gods (as in lumping them all up in one without giving one presidency over the other)? I'm just trying to clarify this statement to make sure I understand where you're coming from.

You do not believe in God therefore one who does can not be an atheist.. Hence a collective view on God, just like we have a collective view on God. In that One who does not believe in God can not be a Christian.

I'm not sure about that one. There's been a slew of new ideas about the origins of the universe/multiverse (cyclical, fractal, donut shaped, bubble multiverses, flat, the list goes on) and honestly I've just given up trying to pick one until they come up with solid evidence. I'm perfectly content with saying that I don't honestly know. The only thing that I would say most Atheists agree on (I say most because, an origins view is not a prerequisite to being an Atheist) is that at some point there was an event which we refer to as the "big bang".

A collective view does not have to be unified as to what it is, just what it is not. Would you agree that all atheists share a common view as to how the origins of the universe did not happen?

If Atheists believed that they needed to escape from God's moral code then they would believe in God and thus no longer be Atheists. If I believed in God I don't think I would be so stupid as to deny him.
Very true, but i believe you are the exception and not the rule, very few people understand this simple precept. Most who I speak to are rebelling against a works based faith.

I am short on time so I can not go point by point with you now, if there is something I missed please bring it back to my attention
 
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A collective view does not have to be unified as to what it is, just what it is not. Would you agree that all atheists share a common view as to how the origins of the universe did not happen?
Well yes, but so do Atheists and Christians, I'm pretty sure we all agree that the universe did not come about in this fashion. Would Christians and Atheists then share a common view as to how the origins of the universe did not happen? I would say yes actually, and as a result I think the point is kind of irrelevant.

Very true, but i believe you are the exception and not the rule, very few people understand this simple precept. Most who I speak to are rebelling against a works based faith.
I'm not so sure about this. Many Atheists can be aggressive in a sort of campaign against superstitious or supernatural belief, but I usually find that their reasons for non-belief are similar to mine. I sincerely doubt that there are many Atheists who are actively rebelling against religious works while still actually believing that there is a God. I wouldn't go so far to say that all are, surely there are some who came to call themselves Atheists under conviction rather than knowledge and don't truly grasp what it is about. I would point out however that what you are describing seems more akin to Satanism than Atheism (rebelling against religion while still believing in it).
I am short on time so I can not go point by point with you now, if there is something I missed please bring it back to my attention
No worries. I consider this more of a discussion than debate anyway. If there are any points you feel you have missed, feel free to go back to them, otherwise I won't hold you to it.
 
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I'm not so sure about this. Many Atheists can be aggressive in a sort of campaign against superstitious or supernatural belief, but I usually find that their reasons for non-belief are similar to mine. I sincerely doubt that there are many Atheists who are actively rebelling against religious works while still actually believing that there is a God. I wouldn't go so far to say that all are, surely there are some who came to call themselves Atheists under conviction rather than knowledge and don't truly grasp what it is about. I would point out however that what you are describing seems more akin to Satanism than Atheism (rebelling against religion while still believing in it).

Just so we are on the same page.

Sin is anything outside of the expressed will of God.

Evil is a malicious intent to commit sin.

Not all sin is evil but all evil is sin.

Satanism is more of an active form of rebellion, where one seeks out ways to incorporate evil into their lives. Atheism can be a passive form of rebellion. In that we are told that we are all awash in sin, and the only way to be cleansed from that sin is through the blood of Jesus. Now just because one does not actively seek out ways to incorporate evil into their lives does not mean one is free from sin. If one is awashed in sin, then according to scripture, that person is in a state of rebellion. albeit a passive one. This is further expounded upon in the punishment for all unrepentant sinners. It is the same Hell for Satan and his active followers as it is for those who simply do not want to be with God.
 
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