Discussion on the how it all started

[MIDutch]

Sorry what u call evidence is a hypothesis. Its one in a million guesses how it started.

Wow. After hundreds of years worth of human scientific endeavor, I would have thought people would know the difference between evidence and hypothesis.

I guess I was wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We have more evidence for God than for your existence.

No, you really do not. You may have more faith in God's existence than mine but that does not help you in an argument. In fact faith based beliefs can be proven to be wrong most of the time. Faith is not a pathway to the truth.

 

[renniks]

I wana discuss with atheists how this universe came into existence. Please keep it simple and easy to understand as i wana see the atheistic perspective. Maybe i got it wrong and maybe you are right. I want to keep it as honest, rational and easy as possible. I personally think God is the best explanation for this organised universe not a random process. Now how is evolution or some other explanation more logical?

I'll make it simple for you: Scientists have no answers as to how the universe began because they can't test something that isn't testable. This doesn't stop them from throwing out theories as if they were facts. And for some reason, people are gullible enough to just accept the theories....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you provide any evidence that the universe always existed? There is evidence that God exists. https://www.crediblecatholic.com/pdf/7E-P2/7E-LB1.pdf

The writers of that "book" do not understand the concept of evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'll make it simple for you: Scientists have no answers as to how the universe began because they can't test something that isn't testable. This doesn't stop them from throwing out theories as if they were facts. And for some reason, people are gullible enough to just accept the theories....

You have that backwards. An idea is not a scientific theory until it has been shown to be a fact. Theories explain facts.

The Big Bang Theory explains the beginning of our universe as we know it. Due to our current knowledge of science breaking down scientists are limited in how far back they can calculate. They cannot quite get to the beginning and they have a proper answer for that "We don't know yet."

That does not mean that they will not know in the future.

 

[MIDutch]

I'll make it simple for you: Scientists have no answers as to how the universe began because they can't test something that isn't testable. This doesn't stop them from throwing out theories as if they were facts. And for some reason, people are gullible enough to just accept the theories....

This is, of course, false.

At present there is no theory for what happened before the big bang. There is some conjecture based on some mathematical modeling based on works by Einstein and Hawking and others, but nothing that can be defined as a theory.

But here's the thing, unlike creationists who think they know everything or have an answer for everything (god-did-it), science is perfectly okay with saying "we don't know that ... yet".

It is ONLY creationists who claim that if science doesn't know EVERYTHING then science knows NOTHING and is therefore invalid.

 

[MIDutch]

No God was not created

What about the Gods of other religions? Were they created?

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is, of course, false.

At present there is no theory for what happened before the big bang. There is some conjecture based on some mathematical modeling based on works by Einstein and Hawking and others, but nothing that can be defined as a theory.

But here's the thing, unlike creationists who think they know everything or have an answer for everything (god-did-it), science is perfectly okay with saying "we don't know that ... yet".

It is ONLY creationists who claim that if science doesn't know EVERYTHING then science knows NOTHING and is therefore invalid.

So glad that I did not use an ellipsis too. I was tempted.

 

[HitchSlap]

No God was not created

Sure he was, and exists but in the minds of people everywhere.

 

[renniks]

You have that backwards. An idea is not a scientific theory until it has been shown to be a fact. Theories explain facts.

Um, no, it's not a fact if you can not replicate it. It's a guess. And the current guess about a speck of infinite energy sure sounds like God as the first cause.

 

[renniks]

At present there is no theory for what happened before the big bang.

The big bang itself isn't proven..

 

[HitchSlap]

The big bang itself isn't proven..

“In the big inning god,” is not an explanation at all.

 

[MIDutch]

So glad that I did not use an ellipsis too. I was tempted.

Must ... type ... faster.

Beat me by 1 minute. We must have typing our responses at almost the exact same time. I knew I should have taken those keyboarding classes in high school.

 

[MIDutch]

Um, no, it's not a fact if you can not replicate it. It's a guess. And the current guess about a speck of infinite energy sure sounds like God as the first cause.

How many times do you think a fossil needs to be looked before everyone says "yep, it's a fact. That is definitely a fossil."?

 

[MIDutch]

The big bang itself isn't proven..

To you.

Fortunately, in the overall scheme of things, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. The study of cosmology and physics will happily go on without your input.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Um, no, it's not a fact if you can not replicate it. It's a guess. And the current guess about a speck of infinite energy sure sounds like God as the first cause.

One does not need to replicate events for them not to be a guess. By your standards most convicted murderers should be set free.

Also it is bearing false witness against your neighbor to denigrate their work and call it a "guess" when it is not. Christians should not do this.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The big bang itself isn't proven..

By a legal standard it is.

 

[Shemjaza]

The big bang itself isn't proven..

Sure it is.

(It's also not the actual source of the universe, just how the early universe developed).

 

[Larniavc]

This doesn't stop them from throwing out theories as if they were facts.

Which specific theory of cosmology are incorrectly thrown out as if fact?

which ones specifically?

 

[renniks]

How many times do you think a fossil needs to be looked before everyone says "yep, it's a fact. That is definitely a fossil."?

Can you physically look at the beginning of everything? Lol, this ain't hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy. You time traveling?