Discussion on the how it all started

[Speedwell]

Well i believe a creator is a better explanation than TOE. Since both are possibilities i think God is a more logical option than TOE. If u are imposing your possibility to be true then i dont see u any better then other believers in God imposing their beliefs. Unless the evidence is irrefutable i don't see the need to believe in TOE

Whether there is a creator or not has nothing to do with whether the ToE is true or not. I believe in a creator myself and see no problem accepting the ToE.

 

[Godistruth1]

I never said that. What I was referring to is the fact that an explanation needs to actually explain something.

Whether it is true or not is not explicitly required to have an explanation for something.

Yes God is an explanation. The lack of knowledge how he created it does not mean he did not. Just because we have limited or no knowledge of something does not prove it wrong.

 

[Godistruth1]

Whether there is a creator or not has nothing to do with whether the ToE is true or not. I believe in a creator myself and see no problem accepting the ToE.

But i might see a problem in accepting TOE. Its subjective

 

[Speedwell]

Yes God is an explanation. The lack of knowledge how he created it does not mean he did not. Just because we have limited or no knowledge of something does not prove it wrong.

Just saying "God created" is not an explanation. It doesn't tell us how He created. Finding out how he created is what science is for.

 

[Speedwell]

But i might see a problem in accepting TOE. Its subjective

That is up to you, but it is nothing to do with whether God created or not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well i believe a creator is a better explanation than TOE. Since both are possibilities i think God is a more logical option than TOE. If u are imposing your possibility to be true then i dont see u any better then other believers in God imposing their beliefs. Unless the evidence is irrefutable i don't see the need to believe in TOE

How is that logical? Once again all of the evidence points to evolution. It appears that you are saying God went all around the world planting false evidence. Why do you think that he would do that?

 

[Godistruth1]

By the way, the theory of evolution does not say anything about whether God made the universe or not. In fact the Big Bang theory does not say anything about whether God made the universe or not. It only tells us how he made it.

See i differ in the fact that how he made it. U say we evolved from a single cell specie. I dont need to believe it unless i can go back in time and observe for myself in fast forward mode it happened

 

[Speedwell]

See i differ in the fact that how he made it. U say we evolved from a single cell specie. I dont need to believe it unless i can go back in time and observe for myself in fast forward mode it happened

What do you believe God did instead?

 

[Godistruth1]

How is that logical? Once again all of the evidence points to evolution. It appears that you are saying God went all around the world planting false evidence. Why do you think that he would do that?

No it does not point to evolution. Again im saying that lack of knowledge how he did it does not disprove it. Evolution is a possibility. Since many atheists use Occam's razor the process according to it needs not be complex. U have not answered my question. Can God not have created the universe. Is it not a possibility?

 

[Godistruth1]

What do you believe God did instead?

God simply made the universe by his power and put adam and eve on earth and they multiplied to simply put it. There is account of satan and other things but thats irrelevant right now. I see the order and balance in universe around us as the evidence that it cannot be a result of random process. I believe someone conscious entity made this universe.

 

[Speedwell]

No it does not point to evolution. Again im saying that lack of knowledge how he did it does not disprove it. Evolution is a possibility. Since many atheists use Occam's razor the process according to it needs not be complex. U have not answered my question. Can God not have created the universe. Is it not a possibility?

What has that got to do with the theory of evolution?

 

[Speedwell]

God simply made the universe by his power and put adam and eve on earth and they multiplied to simply put it. There is account of satan and other things but thats irrelevant right now. I see the order and balance in universe around us as the evidence that it cannot be a result of random process. I believe someone conscious entity made this universe.

How do you know that? Is there any evidence for it?

 

[Godistruth1]

That is up to you, but it is nothing to do with whether God created or not.

It surely has since its also a possibility among many possibilities of how this universe came into existence

 

[Godistruth1]

How do you know that? Is there any evidence for it?

I admit it to be a possibility for the sake of argument. Like TOE is a possibility, in the same way God is a possibility. Since u believe TOE to be the best possible reason, i see God as the best possibility.

 

[Speedwell]

It surely has since its also a possibility among many possibilities of how this universe came into existence

But they are two unrelated possibilities. The question of whether God created or not has nothing to do with whether evolution is true or not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I admit it to be a possibility for the sake of argument. Like TOE is a possibility, in the same way God is a possibility. Since u believe TOE to be the best possible reason, i see God as the best possibility.

You only have a possibility. We have evidence. Would you care to learn what is and what is not evidence?

 

[Godistruth1]

What has that got to do with the theory of evolution?

Since we are exploring how it all began, it does have to do with discussing it. So is it not a possibility that God created the universe?

 

[Speedwell]

I admit it to be a possibility for the sake of argument. Like TOE is a possibility, in the same way God is a possibility. Since u believe TOE to be the best possible reason, i see God as the best possibility.

No, you were more specific. We agree that God created, but you have in addition an explanation of how he created, including something about people named Adam and Eve. Do you have any evidence for any of that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

But they are two unrelated possibilities. The question of whether God created or not has nothing to do with whether evolution is true or not.

So true. Once again if God exist evolution only tells us how he did it.

 

[Speedwell]

Since we are exploring how it all began, it does have to do with discussing it. So is it not a possibility that God created the universe?

I think it's true that God created the universe. What has that got to do with the theory of evolution?