Discussion on the how it all started

[Subduction Zone]

Like i said lot of what is said are hypothesis. We cant really be sure. U are assuming they might know better and u trust them. Same as people who believe in their priests. Unless you yourself can prove it not trust them its no different

The hypotheses of evolution have been tested and confirmed countless times. That is how we know that they are reliable. Once again, denying science while using a scientific device. That is not being consistent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just because TOE explains some things does not mean its true which u agree to. God is also an explanation then. Both are similar unless we can be very sure and have very good evidence.

Actually God is not an explanation. At best it appears to be an excuse. We only have very good evidence for evolution.

 

[Speedwell]

Like i said lot of what is said are hypothesis. We cant really be sure. U are assuming they might know better and u trust them. Same as people who believe in their priests. Unless you yourself can prove it not trust them its no different

I don't care that much whether it is true or false. People who I have no reason to distrust and who have studies the matter extensively say that it is true. As much as I understand it myself it seems plausible. I see no reason not to accept it provisionally, as all scientific theories are accepted. If it turns out to be false, then we move on to a new theory. It does me no harm either way.

 

[Godistruth1]

No, it isn't. An explanation is required to explain how something happened. Merely claiming that God made stuff isn't an explanation.

So just because u have explanation for some things makes it true by itself?

 

[Speedwell]

So just because u have explanation for some things makes it true by itself?

If the explanation is based on good scientific work then it is likely to be true, which is good enough when there is no credible alternative explanation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So just because u have explanation for some things makes it true by itself?

No one has claimed that.

How would you test your beliefs to see if they were accurate or not? The Bible cannot be a source since that would be circular reasoning.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not true. Becoming another animal entirely takes a huge additional to the genetic coding.

It kind of depends on when in development the change is active. Early changes have large leverage.

 

[Godistruth1]

We can observe evolution in the fossil record.

Seriously? Are they still evolving right now?

You should learn how science works, then you might understand better. It is unwise to deny science when one is using highly technical devices that depend upon the science that one is denying. If you want to deny science you really should not be benefiting from it. What do you call somebody who says one thing but does another?

Science is not rigid so u can tell me how it works. The definitions and procedures keep changing which most atheists agree u. Im not denying science here. U are sounding like a priest here. Im only denying evolution which u happen to agree can be wrong. Unless u can tell me oh its proven to be true and cannot be wrong i dont need to accept it

 

[Godistruth1]

No one has claimed that.

How would you test your beliefs to see if they were accurate or not? The Bible cannot be a source since that would be circular reasoning.

U did say God is not an explanation and u happen to have an explanation and since u have an explanation u are preaching it to be true and yet again u accept its possibility to be wrong. Another question for u is. Since we are assuming possibilities can God not have made this universe. Is it not a possibility?

 

[Speedwell]

Why not? You have no credible alternative explanation of your own. What's the harm in accepting the theory of evolution provisionally?

 

[Shemjaza]

Lol, the deep time miracle? I thought they gave up on gradualism ages ago.

Can you explain what you mean?

Deep time requires no miracles, just an acceptance of the evidence of billions of years of history.

My point is that very small individual changes and adaptations, (which I thought you accepted), will eventually add up to larger scale changes. If there's a logical issue with this, can you point it out?

 

[pitabread]

So just because u have explanation for some things makes it true by itself?

I never said that. What I was referring to is the fact that an explanation needs to actually explain something.

Whether it is true or not is not explicitly required to have an explanation for something.

 

[Godistruth1]

I don't care that much whether it is true or false. People who I have no reason to distrust and who have studies the matter extensively say that it is true. As much as I understand it myself it seems plausible. I see no reason not to accept it provisionally, as all scientific theories are accepted. If it turns out to be false, then we move on to a new theory. It does me no harm either way.

U see u are speaking like a true believer. U trust the people to be right and not have evidence yourself for everything u believe. Thats not fair.

 

[Speedwell]

U did say God is not an explanation and u happen to have an explanation and since u have an explanation u are preaching it to be true and yet again u accept its possibility to be wrong. Another question for u is. Since we are assuming possibilities can God not have made this universe. Is it not a possibility?

Whether God exists and is the author of our being has nothing to do with whether the theory of evolution is true or not.

 

[disciple Clint]

How would you prove that? What evidence do you have that other God's are dead? What evidence do you have for your God?

I see I made a typo in my post. God is not dead. I am not going to go into all of the proofs for God, if you truly want to know google it there is abundant evidence available to those who truly want the answer and do not simply want to go into endless debates.

 

[Speedwell]

U see u are speaking like a true believer. U trust the people to be right and not have evidence yourself for everything u believe. Thats not fair.

Because accepting the theory of evolution on the word of people I have no reason to distrust does me no harm.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seriously? Are they still evolving right now?

Science is not rigid so u can tell me how it works. The definitions and procedures keep changing which most atheists agree u. Im not denying science here. U are sounding like a priest here. Im only denying evolution which u happen to agree can be wrong. Unless u can tell me oh its proven to be true and cannot be wrong i dont need to accept it

The scientific method is fairly consistent. Here is a simplified flow chart:

Now the answers in the sciences are always getting more accurate. That may be the changes that you are talking about. Why would you complain about that? The Bible may be easy to understand if you read it literally. The problem is that if you do so it is also wrong. Are you interested in knowing what is right or do you just want an answer that does not change, even when it is wrong?

 

[Subduction Zone]

U did say God is not an explanation and u happen to have an explanation and since u have an explanation u are preaching it to be true and yet again u accept its possibility to be wrong. Another question for u is. Since we are assuming possibilities can God not have made this universe. Is it not a possibility?

No, I am not preaching. Though if you want to learn I will help.

By the way, the theory of evolution does not say anything about whether God made the universe or not. In fact the Big Bang theory does not say anything about whether God made the universe or not. It only tells us how he made it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see I made a typo in my post. God is not dead. I am not going to go into all of the proofs for God, if you truly want to know google it there is abundant evidence available to those who truly want the answer and do not simply want to go into endless debates.

That is the same as admitting that there is no evidence for God. Thank you.

 

[Godistruth1]

Why not? You have no credible alternative explanation of your own. What's the harm in accepting the theory of evolution provisionally?

Well i believe a creator is a better explanation than TOE. Since both are possibilities i think God is a more logical option than TOE. If u are imposing your possibility to be true then i dont see u any better then other believers in God imposing their beliefs. Unless the evidence is irrefutable i don't see the need to believe in TOE