Discussion on the how it all started

[Speedwell]

I don't believe evolution happened, as Darwin supposed. In fact, no one does, but that's besides the point.
I have no reason to buy that one kind of animal becomes another kind. God created and we all adapt to our environment because he planned for this to be possible.

What's a kind? In the Bible the term is used linguistically as a relative qualifier and doesn't appear intended to establish a taxonomy. Taken as a term in a taxonomy, it has no meaning unless you define one for it. In any case, evolution does not allow a species in one branch of a taxonomic structure to evolve into another, already existing branch.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Lol, are you serious? The Earth was once believed to be the center of the universe. Are you really trying to claim scientific theories don't change?

That's a pre-scientific idea.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, are you serious? The Earth was once believed to be the center of the universe. Are you really trying to claim scientific theories don't change?

You were talking about scientific beliefs. That was not a scientific belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's guess work in all of them, that's the point. The reason I mentioned experimental archaeology is because a person can actually prove whether a skill works as supposed by, well, experiments!

You can't experience the beginning of the world .... unless you are God and create a new one.

Warning, shifting the goalposts is a way of admitting that you are wrong. The question was about biology and you shifted it to the Big Bang. In effect you admitted to natural causes for everything after that by doing so. Are you sure that you want to do that?

 

[Larniavc]

I don't believe evolution happened, as Darwin supposed. In fact, no one does, but that's besides the point.
I have no reason to buy that one kind of animal becomes another kind. God created and we all adapt to our environment because he planned for this to be possible.

What part of the modern synthesis do you think is wrong and why? You know Darwin is not the pinnacle of ToE?

 

[renniks]

But not having any explanation for how the Big Bang came about, doesn't remove all the evidence that the expansion of Big Bang is how this universe changed and grew.

I don't have any problem with the BB theory. But I don't take it as fact either.
It fits well with scripture, IMO, too.
An infinite energy source who creates everything from himself, sure sounds like God to me.

 

[renniks]

Evolution only requires tiny steps that only in retrospect represent changes in species. No child is a different species to their parents.

Not true. Becoming another animal entirely takes a huge additional to the genetic coding.

 

[renniks]

I thought you claimed that it was facts which change?

No, you all called them facts. When they are in fact, theorys.

 

[renniks]

You were talking about scientific beliefs. That was not a scientific belief.

Scientists believed it. How was it not a scientific belief?

 

[renniks]

Warning, shifting the goalposts is a way of admitting that you are wrong. The question was about biology and you shifted it to the Big Bang. In effect you admitted to natural causes for everything after that by doing so. Are you sure that you want to do that?

I shifted no goal posts. I was never focused on one form of " science".

 

[Shemjaza]

Not true. Becoming another animal entirely takes a huge additional to the genetic coding.

It would... but no one proposes that it happens in one step.

Change in species is a population wide event not something that happens from one generation to the next.

 

[renniks]

What part of the modern synthesis do you think is wrong and why? You know Darwin is not the pinnacle of ToE?

I just told you.
And no, I'm not gonna go into a long detailed analysis of every facet of evolution theory. I'm not that invested in the discussion. Believe what you like. Just be aware that they are beliefs not facts

 

[Subduction Zone]

Scientists believed it. How was it not a scientific belief?

No, that was before scientists existed. One can't have scientists without the scientific method and that was developed at about the time of Galileo. He was one of the first "scientists".

 

[Subduction Zone]

I shifted no goal posts. I was never focused on one form of " science".

Yes, you did. The question you were asked was about biology and you shifted it to how a world was formed. Time to fess up. And now you are changing the topic again. In effect, admitting that you are wrong.

 

[renniks]

Change in species is a population wide event not something that happens from one generation to the next.

Lol, the deep time miracle? I thought they gave up on gradualism ages ago.

 

[renniks]

Yes, you did. The question you were asked was about biology and you shifted it to how a world was formed. Time to fess up. And now you are changing the topic again. In effect, admitting that you are wrong.

It's your delusion...tell it however you like.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I just told you.
And no, I'm not gonna go into a long detailed analysis of every facet of evolution theory. I'm not that invested in the discussion. Believe what you like. Just be aware that they are beliefs not facts

No, they are facts because they are demonstrable. You have mere beliefs. The beliefs that you have are not demonstrable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, the deep time miracle? I thought they gave up on gradualism ages ago.

Now look at this. This is not honest. Since you do not understand the proper thing to do is to ask questions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's your delusion...tell it however you like.

Now you are beginning to break site rules. Since what I know is demonstrable it is not a delusion. You refuse to learn even the basics of science. As a result you are unable to judge. And wasn't there someone that even warned you about that? Let's see how does that go "Judge not lest ye . . . "

 

[renniks]

No, that was before scientists existed. One can't have scientists without the scientific method and that was developed at about the time of Galileo. He was one of the first "scientists".

You are a laugh a minute I'll give you that. Go ahead and insult medieval scientists some more.