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I know who is and isn't a Christian by reading my Bible.

So you are God, to judge the hearts of men?

Question: Can't we all just get along?

Answer: No, I will not be linked in with hypocracey, blaspheme, heresy, and damnible doctrine that will lead others to hell. You want to be one of those kinds of people, than do so. But you be silent, and I will preach it loudly.

Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

I will argue with you no more. I will continue to pray for you, but that is all I can do. I would suggest to all of my brothers and sisters in Christ to do the same. Stop arguing with him, ignore him if you must, but pray for him.
 
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So God damns Christians that don't have perfect doctrine? Doctrine is more important that the heart? I guess most of the Christians on this forum are going to hell then. I hope you realize how ridiculous this idea is.
No, God doesn't damn any Christians to hell.
 
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So you are God, to judge the hearts of men?



Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

I will argue with you no more. I will continue to pray for you, but that is all I can do. I would suggest to all of my brothers and sisters in Christ to do the same. Stop arguing with him, ignore him if you must, but pray for him.
No I am not God. Do I have to be God in order to understand the Bible. No, I don't. I am tired of these same ridiculous arguments. That I can't understand the Bible. It's only my interpretation. Well then why does the Bible say even a fool could read it and understand it? Please, pray for me all you want. Maybe God will talk to you. You can't get to heaven because you are good enough. Yes it does matter what is in your heart, and your heart is above ALL THINGS decietful, so I hope you don't take that as a reason for your understanding of faith. Because every religion believes they are right in their heart. People need to start learning doctrine, and stop learning heresy like the famous, except Jesus into your heart, which is a lie of the DEVIL.
 
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No I am not God. Do I have to be God in order to understand the Bible. No, I don't. I am tired of these same ridiculous arguments. That I can't understand the Bible. It's only my interpretation. Well then why does the Bible say even a fool could read it and understand it?

There is a difference between understanding the message and having perfect doctrine. Most Christians don't have perfect doctrine. I doubt any one group does. But God looks at faith and a persons heart. These things are much more important than doctrine.
 
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There is a difference between understanding the message and having perfect doctrine. Most Christians don't have perfect doctrine. I doubt any one group does. But God looks at faith and a persons heart. These things are much more important than doctrine.
I am only concerned about those that are NOT Christians, because they don't follow the essentials. I don't care about the non essential issues.
 
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Well I know a lot.
Don't take this as an attack but just simple questions. What is it you wish to accomplish here? Are you accomplishing it? If not what is the cause? Can you do it within the rules? If not why not? :)
 
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As shown by some of the responses in this thread, and the current attitudes that is so prevelent, this only proves why I'm so disappointed in what is happening lately. Some people have their own interpretation of what the scriptures say, and if anybody disagrees with them, then they are automaticly wrong. Their's is the only correct belief, and attitude, and interpretation. This is the exact same thing that was preached about by the Apostle Paul regarding the Jews of his time. He charged them of Orthodoxy.

"Listen to me, I am Sir Oracle."
-The Merchant of Venice
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"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things...Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?...For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." -Rom.1: 1, 17-21, 28-29

The Jews of Pauls day were prideful because they considered themselves above all others because God chose them and made them not only the receptacles of His love, affection, and the Messiah, but because they were the receptacles of His laws and statutes. They made their boast because the had the Law. They above all others, felt that they were to be the teachers of the blind, a guide to those in darkness. Because they had a knowledge of the law, that quailified them to be an instructor of the foolish, and of the babes, just because they had an apparent "knowledge" of the law. And Paul rebuked them because of this attitude. They were guilty of Orthodoxy. This is the exact same type of attitude that is happening here in the Baptist room.

If we can't stop calling names, and show the same compassion that Christ Himself showed, then nothing is going to change or be done.

God showed compassion on us even while we were yet sinners, lost in sin, bound for hell, God:

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." -Rom. 5:8

We must, even though we disagree with others beliefs, we must extend a hand in friendship, love and compassion, rather than a cub to tell them how wrong they are.

Only one time did the Savior act out in a fit of anger, and that was because the Jews had defiled the Temple:

"And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise." -Jn. 2:13-16

So I say once again, we must extend a hand in friendship and love and genuine concern, rather than a cub. And it must start with me and you!

Which would be better, this room to be known as one of the worst here on the forums, a place where you feel nothing but hatred, anger, wrath, because of your beliefs, or would it be better to have this room known as one where the love of Christ is felt in His people, and it reaches out to others.

The choice is yours.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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I have to honestly disagree. It seems Baptist Churches, Southern Baptists especially, are becoming hate-filled. More concerned with condeming the RCC than they are following Christ. The church I used to be a member of actually hands out Jack Chick tracks about the RCC!

I doubt this place will ever become secular, I am afraid that it will become a den of hypocrisy. :(

I am sorry that you had a bad experience in the SBC, but please don't paint with too broad of a brush. I have been a part of 4 southern baptist churches in my life, and not one of them has displayed any of the characteristics you mention. In fact all have been quite open and loving. My current SBC pastor leads our church to doing all sorts of cross-denominational ministry in our area, working with Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, non-denom's, charismatics and such to reach our community for Christ. Most weeks from the pulpit and by name we pray for the other churches and pastors in the area.

I am sure that there are some backwards, legalistic congregations which fit the SBC stereotype, but I have yet to run into one personally.
 
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I am sorry that you had a bad experience in the SBC, but please don't paint with too broad of a brush. I have been a part of 4 southern baptist churches in my life, and not one of them has displayed any of the characteristics you mention. In fact all have been quite open and loving. My current SBC pastor leads our church to doing all sorts of cross-denominational ministry in our area, working with Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, non-denom's, charismatics and such to reach our community for Christ. Most weeks from the pulpit and by name we pray for the other churches and pastors in the area.

I am sure that there are some backwards, legalistic congregations which fit the SBC stereotype, but I have yet to run into one personally.
I attend an SBC church ,too
where there is plenty of grace to go around.
The pastor is a wonderful man who loves people,
and who visits the poor and the sick.
 
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I am very new here and so an outsider i suppose, but i want to tell you how i feel. When I first saw this place where I could talk with fellow baptists who believed as i did i was so excited. My excitement turned to apprehension, however, as I began to read some posts. I was afraid that if I said something that someone would post something to put me down or belittle me. I think that discussion is fine, but there is a time when it crosses a line and becomes ridicule or judgement-----which is something that none of us are supposed to do-----are we? I hope we can all remember to treat one another as Christ would treat us were He posting here.

Just my two cents.
 
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I am very new here and so an outsider i suppose, but i want to tell you how i feel. When I first saw this place where I could talk with fellow baptists who believed as i did i was so excited. My excitement turned to apprehension, however, as I began to read some posts. I was afraid that if I said something that someone would post something to put me down or belittle me. I think that discussion is fine, but there is a time when it crosses a line and becomes ridicule or judgement-----which is something that none of us are supposed to do-----are we? I hope we can all remember to treat one another as Christ would treat us were He posting here.

Just my two cents.
I entirely agree with you.
A proper discussion should have no name-calling or ridicule.

Welcome to CF. :wave:
 
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It seems Baptist Churches, Southern Baptists especially, are becoming hate-filled.
This is not the policy of the SBC, though there are people in every denomination, including among Catholics themselves, who are heavily critical of the RCC.
I doubt this place will ever become secular, I am afraid that it will become a den of hypocrisy. :(
Anymore so than listing yourself as "Christian" without affiliation on the header to your posts?
I agree with this. Please stop judging everyone.
And how do you describe the accusation (unfounded) that the SBC is "becoming hate-filled"? Its seems you may believe there is a corner on nonjudgment among some denominations, but apparently you don't believe it lies with the SBC.
 
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Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
 
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This is not the policy of the SBC, though there are people in every denomination, including among Catholics themselves, who are heavily critical of the RCC.

Yes, I over-generalized and I apologized. I was just basing it on what I've seen locally.

Anymore so than listing yourself as "Christian" without affiliation on the header to your posts?

I'm not sure what this even means... my using a general Christian symbol on my profile makes me a hypocrite? I've said several times throughout the forums I'm SBC raised from age 8.

And how do you describe the accusation (unfounded) that the SBC is "becoming hate-filled"? Its seems you may believe there is a corner on nonjudgment among some denominations, but apparently you don't believe it lies with the SBC.

Again, I made an over-generalization based on what I've been going through for the past like, six years. I apologize.

However, I am interested on why you decided to jump down my throat regarding my choice of symbolism.

As for another section for people who are spirit filled, inerrant Bible believers, go for it. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who you disagree with who would a part of it since we, oddly enough, believe that.
 
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