Direct triangulation shows the universe just older than 6000 years

[dad]

I am calling BS. Dad can you prove or even submit evidence or calculations of any of what your claiming?

Calculations, yes, non physical evidence, yes. If you want science, that can not disprove or prove any spiritual, or unknown future, etc. That leaves me with as much as you in that little department!

 

[Natro]

Have you that it didn't? Have you even any reason to suggest that a new eternal heavens with the spiritual and physical are not coming one day? No, you don't.

So because I don't know 100% what happened and what will happen what you say what happened and what will happen is true.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why wouldn't they? They are in the PO universe!

The physical only universe from 162,000 years ago, yes. Can you point me to the supernova that are part of the spiritual universe?

Certain areas were first to be impacted in the process that seperated the physical from the spiritual. Supernovas, for example. They exploded, and were first to be physical only in the split process itself! The universe around these zones took a little while to be left as physical only, so were still merged. That is why the PO explosion was carried quickly along the light highway as it were, towards earth, but not all the way. The process was complete before it reached us. This means it was still on the way, and had some way to go as the process ended! The PO 1987a therefore would be expected to be a PO explosion, yet, the still merged portion of the universe between here and there relayed the event faster than it could in the present!
!!!

All presented without even a shred of evidence. Why should I be surprised?

 

[Natro]

Calculations, yes, non physical evidence, yes. If you want science, that can not disprove or prove any spiritual, or unknown future, etc. That leaves me with as much as you in that little department!

Ok give me these claculations and I am sure you have submited them for peer reviews that you can also show me. If not then your just a man shouting the internet saying things he can't prove are true like they are true.

 

[Loudmouth]

Calculations, yes, non physical evidence, yes. If you want science, that can not disprove or prove any spiritual, or unknown future, etc. That leaves me with as much as you in that little department!

False. That leaves us with scientific answers and some stuff that dad dreamt up. Within science, claims are testable and verifiable which lends them credence. In your tinfoil hat world nothing is verifiable and rests solely on your imagination. I think I will lean towards things that are verifiable, thank you very much.

 

[dad]

So because I don't know 100% what happened and what will happen what you say what happened and what will happen is true.

You don't know 1% by reason of any science we have. So when your old age tales scare poor little children with how they will die, and the sun and stars will burn out, etc. while at the same time not allowing hope of other beliefs, it is tragic.

 

[dad]

False. That leaves us with scientific answers and some stuff that dad dreamt up. Within science, claims are testable and verifiable which lends them credence. ..

When you can test and verify the future, you may get some credance, meanwhile, your future claims are without science!

 

[Loudmouth]

When you can test and verify the future, you may get some credance, meanwhile, your future claims are without science!

I claim that no time in the future will you find a fossil that has both mammalian and avian features that are not shared by reptiles.

I claim that at no time in the future will the density of water change in standard conditions (barometric pressure at sea levle, 20 degrees C, etc.).

I claim that no time in the future will you observe stars that give off spectra different than that on earth (after adjusting for redshift).

I could keep going, but I have a feeling you aren't interested in science.

 

[Loudmouth]

You don't know 1% by reason of any science we have.

Sure we do. It's called experimentation.

So when your old age tales scare poor little children with how they will die, and the sun and stars will burn out, etc. while at the same time not allowing hope of other beliefs, it is tragic.

Not only are you not afraid of spouting pseudoscience, but you are also a fan of the Fallacy of Consequence.

 

[Herman Hedning]

People, don't get all upset by Dad's weird ideas. There's no use trying to answer his posts in any meaningful way. Just sit back and enjoy the humour.

 

[dad]

Ok give me these claculations and I am sure you have submited them for peer reviews that you can also show me. If not then your just a man shouting the internet saying things he can't prove are true like they are true.

I calculate that light in a merged universe moves at least 41 million times faster than this present light in this PO universe. To review this, the peers must be able to measure more than just PO light! I calculate that the bible was true all along. Science can't calculate more than the present, so don't expect scientific calculations beyond that from them or me or anyone else.

 

[dad]

I claim that no time in the future will you find a fossil that has both mammalian and avian features that are not shared by reptiles.

Why would anyone care, if this were true?

I claim that at no time in the future will the density of water change in standard conditions (barometric pressure at sea levle, 20 degrees C, etc.).

I couln't comment on standard PO conditions that will not exist in the future.

I claim that no time in the future will you observe stars that give off spectra different than that on earth (after adjusting for redshift).

Baloney! Your predictions go only as far as this temporary universe. That is pretty far, but not that far, just over a thousand years.

I could keep going, but I have a feeling you aren't interested in science.

In it's place it is interesting. Elevated to god status it falls flat as a flounder. It is hot stuff in the present, no stuff in the past or future! But I get a feeling you don't care about anything but the present.

 

[AirPo]

I am calling BS. Dad can you prove or even submit evidence or calculations of any of what your claiming?

I'll see your BS and raise you a parody!

 

[Loudmouth]

Why would anyone care, if this were true?

You claim that no one is able to predict future events using science. I did just that. So are you in the practice of asking questions for answers that you don't care about?

I couln't comment on standard PO conditions that will not exist in the future.

So science is able to predict future events but your split world doohicky is not. Score one for science.

Baloney! Your predictions go only as far as this temporary universe. That is pretty far, but not that far, just over a thousand years.

Just over 13 billion years, actually.

In it's place it is interesting. Elevated to god status it falls flat as a flounder. It is hot stuff in the present, no stuff in the past or future! But I get a feeling you don't care about anything but the present.

I care about people dissing science because it conflicts with their religious beliefs. I don't hold science as god status, but obviously you do judging by the way it threatens your god.

 

[dad]

Sure we do. It's called experimentation.

Yes, and it ends and begins with the present! We are talking about your fantastic claims of it applying to God's tomorrow. Thats called baloney! And 1% is being generous to you there.

Not only are you not afraid of spouting pseudoscience, but you are also a fan of the Fallacy of Consequence.

pseu·do·sci·ence
n.
A theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation. http://www.answers.com/topic/pseudoscience
Your trying to claim science based knowledge beyond the present (several thousand years) is the only pseudoscience here! Like that light and the physical only universe will be here after it passes away! What kind of beyondo logic is that?

 

[dad]

I'll see your BS and raise you a parody!

I'll call your bluff, up your speck ante, and raise your soon to pass away PO universe with a merged one!

 

[dad]

You claim that no one is able to predict future events using science. I did just that. So are you in the practice of asking questions for answers that you don't care about?

I meant predict with some bearing on how it will really be! Any wacko can predict things like the stars will always glow just so, and call it science. Have you tested these future water and stars? No. You simply spout assumptions you like to call science!

So science is able to predict future events but your split world doohicky is not. Score one for science.

It can't predict squat. All you do is try to imagine sameness and decay into the future NOTHING more!!!!

I care about people dissing science because it conflicts with their religious beliefs. I don't hold science as god status, but obviously you do judging by the way it threatens your god.

It doesn't threaten anything. You just are sore you can't really pack it into the futre or past, except in dreams and false boasts.

 

[AirPo]

I'll call your bluff, up your speck ante, and raise your soon to pass away PO universe with a merged one!

Great! Just don't bet the farm until you have a publisher. Try Tor, they handle fantasy.

 

[dad]

People, don't get all upset by Dad's weird ideas. There's no use trying to answer his posts in any meaningful way. Just sit back and enjoy the humour.

I see a bucky ball in your avatar. I found it interesting how the design came to be. (if I read a good article, that wasn't wrong).
Apparently old Buckminster Fuller was looking for which shape was most efficient. I think he had some kind of vision problem, where he kinda saw things in shapes, largely. After trying the different things, cones, squares, etc, as to which held the most little balls, he found the geodesic dome was the most efficient of all! The sphere. He also noticed it consisted of pyramids. If we look at one of these we see the pyramids.
Years after he died, the powerful new microscopes saw a molecule that was exactly like this, a carbon one. They named it after him. A fullerene. It seems even the creator uses this efficient shape he discovered!

 

[Loudmouth]

I meant predict with some bearing on how it will really be! Any wacko can predict things like the stars will always glow just so, and call it science. Have you tested these future water and stars? No. You simply spout assumptions you like to call science!

The light comes from the past, and new light will reach us in the future. Therefore, I am able to predict the past, present, and future all with one prediction. I can predict these values using validated, verified, and tested scientific theories. These predictions continue to be fulfillfed. What are you able to predict using your merged universes? Nothing.

It can't predict squat. All you do is try to imagine sameness and decay into the future NOTHING more!!!!

And into the past, as evidenced by the Oklo reactors which are naturally occuring nuclear reactors that were present on the earth 2 billion years ago due to the higher concentration of heavier hydrogen isotopes. These reactors show that nuclear forces have remained the same over 2 billion years.

It doesn't threaten anything. You just are sore you can't really pack it into the futre or past, except in dreams and false boasts.

The past, present, and future are all accessible to science, as I have shown.