Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

[Subduction Zone]

Species didn't go on the ark, kinds did.

So since we are the monkey kind there was no need for other primates.

Got it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Pangea - How God Split the Continents

This guys "argument from incredulity" fallacy might be the worst I've ever seen. His argument is basically:

* If evolution is correct, then how did people get to the places you can't walk to from Africa. (Australia, Polynesia, Americas) [correct answers: Boats about 40000 years ago, boats about 1500 to 500 years ago, land bridge and/or boats 20000 years ago]

* If people came via the Bering Land Bridge open by the sea dropping to cover the northern hemisphere then ~~~ 200 feet ~~~ of ice would cover the Northern hemisphere and well that's just silly. [Reality, only part of the N. hemisphere was covered, but to several *thousand* feet, or a km or two if you prefer.]

Here's a direct quote:

Since the ice age was a northern hemisphere phenomenon, there would be about 200 feet of ice covering our world here in Wisconsin. I find that hard to believe. What natural phenomenon would cause that much ice to cover everything?

This is ignorance of the highest order. The landscape of Wisconsin (and the whole Great Lakes region) is *littered* with features from the last ice age -- the one that allowed humans into the Americas. *Lake Michigan* is a glacial feature.

 

[trophy33]

He spoke about them as actually happening. Why would you attempt to turn what was clearly meant as literal into an allegory?

He spoke about them to teach people some point or some metaphor ("like it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in this generation....").
He was not teaching them geology, cosmology nor relying on any technical details in the story. So why not to follow Him?

 

[AV1611VET]

Pterodactyls were not dinosaurs, they were lizards.

Doesn't "dinosaur" mean "terrible lizard"?

 

[Job 33:6]

Good.

So back to the question.

We all agree that these layers exist and I'll break it down briefly:

Tertiary -hominids and modern birds
Cretaceous- the last dinosaurs
Jurassic- first birds
Triassic- first true mammals and bird-like theropods
Permian - (first mammal like reptiles which are accepted to exist even by aig)
Carboniferous -first reptiles and reptile-amphibian hybrids (such as frogamander) and turtles with half shells.
Devonian -first amphibian-like fish tetrapods (such as Tiktaalik) and amphibians
Silurian - first terrestrial invertebrates
Ordovician-more aquatic invertebrates
Cambrian- odd fauna, aquatic invertebrates


So what is the young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaurs specifically exist in Mesozoic layers but not in protozoic or cenozoic layers?

Or is pure denial their only option?

Or are questionable photographs of cave painting brontosaurus and blurred and questionable images (or a single image because only one exists) of odd shaped human feet prints inside stereotypical T-Rex tracks (as if T-Rex was the only prehistoric animal that ever lived) somehow supposed to sway us to believe otherwise?

Response never given. Adds to the giant list of posts never responded to.*

 

[d taylor]

From Answers in Genisis

How dinosaurs lived with man, how they were preserved on Noah’s ark—likely as juveniles—and what happened to dinosaurs after the flood
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The Dinosaur "Hurdle"

But the biggest hurdle people have when they see any of our displays of the ark (or visit the Ark Encounter) is seeing dinosaurs depicted on the ark (or in stalls in the Ark Encounter). Due to evolutionary indoctrination, many people can't picture man living alongside dinosaurs, or if they do, they think of the Jurassic Park/World movies and view all dinosaurs as wanting to trample or eat people. Even if they overcome or set aside this stumbling block, we still get questions of how dinosaurs could even fit on the ark, particularly when considering the massive dinosaurs, especially the sauropods. Other oft-cited "problems" with dinosaurs on the ark are feeding the herbivores the massive amounts of vegetation that the adults eat, feeding the carnivorous ones (and avoiding being eaten by them), and cleaning up after them.

It makes more sense to think that God would have sent to Noah juveniles (or sub-adults) or smaller varieties within the same kind.​

Crunching the Numbers

Noah also did not have to bring marine animals, bacteria, fungi, or plants (except as possible food sources) and many (if any) insects onto the ark.​

But How Could Noah Care for the Dinosaurs on the Ark?

We need to keep in mind that Noah was a very intelligent man and was obeying God’s commands by faith (Hebrews 11:7). And it was God’s desire that the animals on the ark were well cared for and able to disembark healthy and repopulate the new world.​

Dinosaurs Were on the Ark and Dinosaurs Came off the Ark
The evolutionary story is that dinosaurs died out 66 million years ago, long before humans evolved. But Scripture tells a quite different account.

I see no reason to believe that dinosaurs were on the ark. As i do not believe them to be part of God's creation in Genesis 1. Their coming about more than likely could have been at the same time as the nephilim, which were also killed in the flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Response never given.

I gave one, but as predicted, you wouldn't understand it.

Two questions:

1. Would it even matter if dinosaurs were found on the same horizontal plane? after all, look how they make up explanations for polystrate fossils.
2. Where are the dinosaurs on that chart in Post 103?

 

[renniks]

He spoke about them to teach people some point or some metaphor ("like it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in this generation....").
He was not teaching them geology, cosmology nor relying on any technical details in the story. So why not to follow Him?

Only works if you want to want to twist scripture. I don't.

 

[Job 33:6]

I gave one, but as predicted, you wouldn't understand it.

Two questions:

1. Would it even matter if dinosaurs were found on the same horizontal plane? after all, look how they make up explanations for polystrate fossils.
2. Where are the dinosaurs on that chart in Post 103?

1. Sounds like denial to me. And no you didn't give me a response earlier, you simply noted that Mesozoic wasn't in my list, which I clarified shortly thereafter.

As noted in the video above, fossils aren't found to cross boundaries of periods for example, but rather are encompassed within individual formations of specific points of time.

2. Dinosaurs are reptiles and are encompassed in the Mesozoic section of the reptile line.

So again I ask, what is the creationist explanation for this fossil succession?

Option A: Denial followed by obscure commentary on questionable cave paintings and images of an abnormal looking human track inside a t-rex track (as if T-Rex was the only prehistoric species to have ever lived). Occasionally they may even talk about T-Rex DNA being found in fossils, yet they still aren't sure why the T-Rex genome hasn't been sequenced while every other modern species dna has, including whooly mammoths, neanderthals, saber tooth tigers and more, despite research suggesting that DNA can last millions of years. They may bring up polystrate fossils as well, yet they are never able to demonstrate any sort of change in lithology around these fossils that would indicate an upright position through millions of years (as they claim).

Option B: they don't have one.

Option C: they attack fields of anthropology and archaeology by asking silly questions like "what would early hominids and mammoths eat while walking across the bering straight?" As if they have never heard of a thing called grass. Or as if they never had heard of ancient people hunting grazing animals.

 

[trophy33]

Only works if you want to want to twist scripture. I don't.

You are "only" adding to it and extrapolating.

Also, reading ancient texts without understanding the ancient language and culture is twisting them par excellence.

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Sounds like denial to me. And no you didn't give me a response earlier, you simply noted that Mesozoic wasn't in my list, which I clarified shortly thereafter.

What's Post 65 then?

 

[Job 33:6]

What's Post 65 then?

It appears to be random commentary without a young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaur fossils are only found in Mesozoic strata.

Here is your response:
"HOWEVER, assuming these two layers are actually that old due to EMBEDDED AGE, then what you are doing is tantamount to dating the dinosaurs by the layers they are found in."-AV

And where or why or how do you think this explains why dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic?

Or is it denial of this reality?

What is the young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaur fossils are only found in Mesozoic strata, or do you deny this fact?

 

[Job 33:6]

It appears to be random commentary without a young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaur fossils are only found in Mesozoic strata.

Here is your response:
"HOWEVER, assuming these two layers are actually that old due to EMBEDDED AGE, then what you are doing is tantamount to dating the dinosaurs by the layers they are found in."-AV

And where or why or how do you think this explains why dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic?

Or is it denial of this reality?

What is the young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaur fossils are only found in Mesozoic strata, or do you deny this fact?

Another illustration for reference.

 

[Job 33:6]

Another illustration for reference.

 

[AV1611VET]

And where or why or how do you think this explains why dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic?

You'll deny any explanation to keep your record intact, won't you?

Okay ... deny this ... dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic because they went extinct.

To you, the Mesozoic Era was what? 250 - 65 million years ago?

But I submit it was from 4004 BC - now.

 

[AV1611VET]

* Another illustration for reference *

Yes, I know.

To you, they came one after another after another after another, over a period of n-million years.

According to the Bible, they all came at once within a six-day period.

 

[renniks]

You are "only" adding to it and extrapolating.

Also, reading ancient texts without understanding the ancient language and culture is twisting them par excellence.

What am I adding? Nothing. It says six days, I believe it's six days. It says the flood was over the whole earth, I believe it.

 

[AV1611VET]

What am I adding? Nothing. It says six days, I believe it's six days. It says the flood was over the whole earth, I believe it.

These people try hard not to understand; and they're very good at it.

That's what colleges teach nowadays: question everything, accept nothing.

I'm often reminded of an oil-soaked bird, pecking at the hands of the person cleaning it up.

 

[Job 33:6]

You'll deny any explanation to keep your record intact, won't you?

Okay ... deny this ... dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic because they went extinct.

To you, the Mesozoic Era was what? 250 - 65 million years ago?

But I submit it was from 4004 BC - now.

But this doesn't really answer the question because it doesn't say why they aren't in cenozoic or Paleozoic strata. Or proterozoic either.

There are many extinct species that aren't in Mesozoic strata, so simply saying that they are there because they went extinct just doesn't answer the question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Doesn't "dinosaur" mean "terrible lizard"?

No. That is its etymology, not its definition.