Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I understand that for atheists. I don't understand how a believer can just pick what miracles he wants to think are true. To be a Christian you have to believe in the resurrection of a dead man. But you are going to balk at God keeping animals alive on a boat?

Is your God defined by the miracles he has performed as written in ancient texts, or is he possibly greater than that?

 

[renniks]

It doesn't matter,. If you deem the Flood to be a miracle then any claim you want to make about it will be unfalsifiable.

Well duh, it's miracle. And why would any Christian deny it?

 

[renniks]

Is your God defined by the miracles he has performed as written in ancient texts, or is he possibly greater than that?

Creating everything that is isn't great enough?

 

[Speedwell]

Job wasn't a Hebrew.

The Hebrews came later.

He is represented as being an Edomite, a descendent of Abraham. That's close enough.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Creating everything that is isn't great enough?

It is not the creation that is being questioned here, but the interpretations of the descriptions in the ancient texts.

 

[renniks]

It is not the creation that is being questioned here, but the interpretations of the descriptions in the ancient texts.

Again, if I believe in creation from nothing by an all powerful being, am I going to quibble over the Earth being flooded by the same being?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Again, if I believe in creation from nothing by an all powerful being, am I going to quibble over the Earth being flooded by the same being?

It might lead you to a greater understanding of what was being said in these ancient texts.

 

[AV1611VET]

He is represented as being an Edomite, a descendent of Abraham. That's close enough.

No.

You're thinking of Jobab, son of Zerah (Genesis 36:33).

I'm talking about Jobab, son of Joktan (Genesis 10:29).

 

[Speedwell]

Again, if I believe in creation from nothing by an all powerful being, am I going to quibble over the Earth being flooded by the same being?

No, you wouldn't quibble over anything He did. The question is, what did he do? And now we're back to the interpretation of ancient texts as Ponderous Curmudgeon pointed out.

 

[durangodawood]

Just... no.

Just yes!

Most people don't know this, but the Flintstones was a documentary.

 

[renniks]

It might lead you to a greater understanding of what was being said in these ancient texts.

I can read what was said. How is disbelieving what is said leading to a greater understanding?

 

[Speedwell]

I can read what was said.

You actually can read biblical Hebrew with understanding? You are familiar with contemporary extra-biblical sources? You know how to employ appropriate linguistic and literary research tools?

 

[coffee4u]

So, where are they?

Dinosaurs were on the ark like every other creature. Dinosaurs hatch out of eggs, eggs are not that large. Even the dinosaurs that did grow to huge sizes, of which there were few of, started out as small animals hatched out of an egg.

Once all the animals came off the ark they faced a new hostile world. Do you know how many animals will go extinct just this year? if you look up a secular resourse on this you find:
"Experts calculate that between 0.01 and 0.1% of all species will become extinct each year. If the low estimate of the number of species out there is true - i.e. that there are around 2 million different species on our planet** - then that means between 200 and 2,000 extinctions occur every year."

So lets say 200 animals will become extinct just this year -where are they? They are gone.
The dinosaurs became extinct just like all these other poor animals.
How? How do other animals become extinct?
They get diseases, they have food shortages, they face catastrophic events like fires and floods, man hunts them.
Right from the get go off the ark all the animals were in great peril of extinction. There was only 1 pair of non clean animals and 7 pairs of clean animals. Dinosaurs were among the non clean. To add to that we have hungry humans who God told could now eat meat.
Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
God just granted them permission to eat them. Animals that hatch from eggs on the ground would be among the very first things that mankind would eat. You imagine yourself in the wilderness. Is it easier to catch and kill a moving creature or to raid a nest while its not attended? No doubt they did both but eggs are an easy target.
It's not a wonder that dinosaurs are extinct, but rather a wonder that we have as many animals non extinct as we do.

 

[renniks]

No, you wouldn't quibble over anything He did. The question is, what did he do? And now we're back to the interpretation of ancient texts as Ponderous Curmudgeon pointed out.

Are you seriously saying that they were so badly interpreted that the whole flood story meant something else entirely? I'm not sure what you are getting at.

 

[Speedwell]

Are you seriously saying that they were so badly interpreted that the whole flood story meant something else entirely? I'm not sure what you are getting at.

No, it's a story of a flood very clearly. The meaning is also clear, in fact it's telegraphed. But what about the actual events on which it is based?

 

[MIDutch]

Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
God just granted them permission to eat them. Animals that hatch from eggs on the ground would be among the very first things that mankind would eat. You imagine yourself in the wilderness. Is it easier to catch and kill a moving creature or to raid a nest while its not attended? No doubt they did both but eggs are an easy target.

And given that EVERY animal that lived right after the flood all came out of the same door in the side of the ark, it would have been very easy for Noah and his family to catch and eat most of them within a month or two.

Obviously, after the flood, the fast moving turtles and sloths were harder to catch than the Deinonychus raptors since turtles and sloths still exist and Deinonychus raptors don't.

Also, pterydactyls (who must have been flightless despite their wings) must have been easier to catch than dodo birds who somehow made it to the 17th century.

Less understandable is why Noah and his family would eat the two tricerotops specimens over the probably much more tasty cows.

 

[trophy33]

Once all the animals came off the ark they faced a new hostile world.

There are about 6 million speacies today, 2 million are in the ocean.
There were at least 700 species of dinosaurs we know of.
The global flood would also destroy sea mammals, many kinds of sea creatures and totally devastated plant life from which majority would never recover.

What was the point of the ark, again? To save all creatures and to lost 80% after that because most could survive the new conditions?

 

[Occams Barber]

One possible way is that the Ark was bigger on the inside than it was on the outside.

I think we've been here before with the Tardis Ark AV.

I believe scientists recognize eleven (or fourteen?) dimensions of space; not just the three we're accustomed to.

Brilliant. Multidimensional origami elephants can be stored like flatpacks.

OB

 

[coffee4u]

There are about 6 million speacies today, 2 million are in the ocean.
There were at least 700 species of dinosaurs we know of.
The global flood would also destroy sea mammals, many kinds of sea creatures and totally devastated plant life from which majority would never recover.

What was the point of the ark, again? To save all creatures and to lost 80% after that because most could survive the new conditions?

Species didn't go on the ark, kinds did.

 

[coffee4u]

And given that EVERY animal that lived right after the flood all came out of the same door in the side of the ark, it would have been very easy for Noah and his family to catch and eat most of them within a month or two.

Obviously, after the flood, the fast moving turtles and sloths were harder to catch than the Deinonychus raptors since turtles and sloths still exist and Deinonychus raptors don't.

Also, pterydactyls (who must have been flightless despite their wings) must have been easier to catch than dodo birds who somehow made it to the 17th century.

Less understandable is why Noah and his family would eat the two tricerotops specimens over the probably much more tasty cows.

God brought them to the ark, sealed the door and caused the flood. All supernatural events. So no doubt he also sent them out. The flood and how the ark and animals survived were miracles, it wasn't just some family shoving in animals being tossed about in some random flood.