DINOSAURS! Noah's Flood & other awesome questions.

[Commander]

You are not an honest person. He pinched the two pieces and closed the gap.

The photographs you provided are in fact stratified rock layers (the kind that contains fossils) that have been bent over time. But that doesn't fit the Hebrews creation story which later generations claimed were written by God. So you have to be dishonest. Sadly you believe your on dishonesty while calling others gullible.

Well, if that aint the pot calling the kettle black. So, apparently you do not believe what the word of God tells us? I will believe the word of God over the word of any man any and every day! Yes, he did pinch the two. I would not call that enough pressure to what he is or you are claiming! Did he put it under hydraulic pressure, the kind of pressure he/you are claiming?(No).

 

[Colter]

Well, if that aint the pot calling the kettle black. So, apparently you do not believe what the word of God tells us? I will believe the word of God over the word of any man any and every day!

The people capable of killing the son of God were also capable a claiming that their exaggerated writings were Gods writings. But you can believe in the tooth fairy if you want. The fact is that proof of an old earth is in the bent and twisted stratified layers

 

[ViaCrucis]

Evolutionist believe that God had nothing to do with the creation

False. The theory of evolution has nothing to say about God one way or the other. God's involvement with and in creation is a matter of theology, not science; and as such science has nothing to say one way or the other.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Commander]

The people capable of killing the son of God were also capable a claiming that their exaggerated writings were Gods writings. But you can believe in the tooth fairy if you want. The fact is that proof of an old earth is in the bent and twisted stratified layers

Or they can be explained in the aftermath of a world wide Biblical flood.

 

[Commander]

False. The theory of evolution has nothing to say about God one way or the other. God's involvement with and in creation is a matter of theology, not science; and as such science has nothing to say one way or the other.

-CryptoLutheran

No secular science takes God out of the equation of how we are here. Science does not tell us how old the universe and the earth are? That the universe is 13.(something billion years old) and the earth is 4.(something billion years old)?

 

[Speedwell]

Science does not tell us how old the universe and the earth are? That the universe is 13.(something billion years old and the earth is 4.(something billion years old?

Which neither affirms nor denies the existence of God.

 

[Commander]

Which neither affirms no denies the existence of God.

It denies God by contradicting what the Bible tells us. There are scriptures in the Bible and the Apocrypha..where we can find that the earth is approximately 8,000 years old, and not millions/billions.

 

[Speedwell]

It denies God by contradicting what the Bible tells us. There are scriptures in the Bible and the Apocrypha..where we can find that the earth is approximately 8,000 years old, and not millions/billions.

It denies your idea of God by contradicting what you think the Bible says. That doesn't make the rest of us atheists.

 

[ViaCrucis]

No secular science takes God out of the equation of how we are here. Science does not tell us how old the universe and the earth are? That the universe is 13.(something billion years old) and the earth is 4.(something billion years old)?

Science deals with the natural and observable universe. It therefore has nothing to say on the question of God, the question of God is a theological matter not a scientific one. Science doesn't take God out of the equation, it is simply silent on the matter. And, frankly, that is conducive to good theology; as a Christian I believe in an eternal, almighty, and ineffable God who is not subject to human knowledge. King Solomon declared concerning the temple, "The heavens, not even the heavens of heavens, can contain You; how much less this house which I have built!" Or the Psalmist who declares, "The heavens are Your throne, and the earth is Your footstool." The Prophet Isaiah wrote, "My ways are not your ways, neither are My thoughts your thoughts, for as high as the heavens are above the earth so are My ways above your ways and My thoughts above your thoughts."

So who are we to bring God down from highest heaven that we might place Him under a microscope? Such cannot be done; we know of God only because He has deigned to reveal Himself, and to reveal Himself chiefly in the Person of Christ His Son, for the Logos who was in the beginning with God and Himself is God became flesh, became human, and dwelt among us; and God who no man has seen has been made known by His Son, His very Word, who has become flesh for us and our salvation.

Theology deals with revelation. Science deals with observation.

Understand the difference, it is critical. Because confusing the two results in both wrong theology as well as in false science.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Commander]

It denies your idea of God by contradicting what you think the Bible says. That doesn't make the rest of us atheists.

I said some, and by some I mean secular-not Christian scientist. There are those scientist who do believe the word of God, and have published their findings in books, which coincides with the Bible. These Christian scientist contradict/refute what the secular scientist say about the age of everything that the secular scientist claim. I did not mean to infer all scientist!

 

[Commander]

Science deals with the natural and observable universe. It therefore has nothing to say on the question of God, the question of God is a theological matter not a scientific one. Science doesn't take God out of the equation, it is simply silent on the matter. And, frankly, that is conducive to good theology; as a Christian I believe in an eternal, almighty, and ineffable God who is not subject to human knowledge. King Solomon declared concerning the temple, "The heavens, not even the heavens of heavens, can contain You; how much less this house which I have built!" Or the Psalmist who declares, "The heavens are Your throne, and the earth is Your footstool." The Prophet Isaiah wrote, "My ways are not your ways, neither are My thoughts your thoughts, for as high as the heavens are above the earth so are My ways above your ways and My thoughts above your thoughts."

So who are we to bring God down from highest heaven that we might place Him under a microscope? Such cannot be done; we know of God only because He has deigned to reveal Himself, and to reveal Himself chiefly in the Person of Christ His Son, for the Logos who was in the beginning with God and Himself is God became flesh, became human, and dwelt among us; and God who no man has seen has been made known by His Son, His very Word, who has become flesh for us and our salvation.

Theology deals with revelation. Science deals with observation.

Understand the difference, it is critical. Because confusing the two results in both wrong theology as well as in false science.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, I do understand the difference. Please see post #450.

 

[Speedwell]

I said some, and by some I mean secular-not Christian scientist. There are those scientist who do believe the word of God, and have published their findings in books, which coincides with the Bible. These Christian scientist contradict/refute what the secular scientist say about the age of everything that the secular scientist claim. I did not mean to infer all scientist!

And a large number of your so-called "secular" scientists are devout Christians or members of other faiths--not atheists.

 

[Commander]

And a large number of your so-called "secular" scientists are devout Christians or members of other faiths--not atheists.

Have you asked all of them? "not Christian scientist" quote from post #450.

 

[Speedwell]

Have you asked all of them? "not Christian scientist" quote from post #450.

I have asked some of them, known some of them personally, read books by others. I find your implication that Christian scientists who don't buy into your YECism are somehow not really Christians to be ignorant and offensive. You don't own Christianity. You do not get to dictate to us who is a Christian and who is not.

 

[RickG]

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[RickG]

I said some, and by some I mean secular-not Christian scientist. There are those scientist who do believe the word of God, and have published their findings in books, which coincides with the Bible. These Christian scientist contradict/refute what the secular scientist say about the age of everything that the secular scientist claim. I did not mean to infer all scientist!

A common claim by the "creation science" community is that use the same data but have a different interpretation. However, the fact is that they present no data or research, much less any original data or research of their own.

 

[Commander]

I have asked some of them, known some of them personally, read books by others. I find your implication that Christian scientists who don't buy into your YECism are somehow not really Christians to be ignorant and offensive. You don't own Christianity. You do not get to dictate to us who is a Christian and who is not.

No, Christ does-1 John 3:6. Have a blessed day.

 

[Commander]

You still did not answer if it took millions/billions of years to produce it in the laboratory?

 

[RickG]

Find a real picture for the evidence of your claim, it's only there in a drawing from a secular scientist!

First Commander, I would like to know "Your" definition of a secular scientist. Second, why is it that you think because there are folded mountains that it is a problem for "secular scientists"?

Below is a picture of the north face of Mount Everest showing folded strata. Folded strata is a result of continental collisions which occur at a very slow rate. In this case, the collision of the Indian sub-continent with the Asian Continent. This is not assumed, it is actually measured by GPS satellites. Mount Everest is still rising and deforming at the rate of 5 mm/yr (2 in).

 

[RickG]

You still did not answer if it tool millions/billions of years to produce it in the laboratory?

You really have a habit of responding to my posts without addressing what you quoted from me. You asked no question of me. If you have a question, do so directly.