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Can you define evidence?My claims are not designed to make things come true, but rather to note what facts actually exist.
False. Now watch carefully....If one considers God's word evidence regarding the unknown past state, then I am ready to talk about what the bible says. Notice you nor anyone else is making any bible case here? There is a reason. I have one.
When it comes to science and the lack of evidence for knowing what laws existed long ago...I have that too. Either way, I got er covered.
No, nor do you. I would guess about 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Quite pleasant. Nothing wrong with heat? Heck, it would have killed Adam in creation week with all the water and land moving. That is, IF our laws had of existed. It didn't. That tells us something.This is not evidence. There is nothing wrong with heat and friction, do you know what the temperature of the core of the earth is?
Imagination run wild. The actual mechanism for the movements you do not know. They are predicted to move again big time soon. Leveling all mountains and moving every Island till they are no more. It sure will not be for the imaginary reasons you cite!There will be enough energy in the center of the earth to move continents around for billions of years.
How about you present some evidence for a same state past? You can't, that is why you do not. Victory. How sweet it is.How about you present some evidence for a different state past?
Define it? Then show us evidence for Granny Bacteria mother of all living!!!?Sometimes I am not sure you know what "evidence" means.
Time to stop drinking your kool aid. Really.
I would say that evidence is relative. It also should be in context to what it is used for. The evidence of the bible prophesies is clear. Greece really did fall, and to exactly who it was supposed to. The captivity and destruction of Jerusalem really did come down...etc. So that sort of evidence is ideal.Can you define evidence?
That doesn't define the concept.I would say that evidence is relative. It also should be in context to what it is used for. The evidence of the bible prophesies is clear. Greece really did fall, and to exactly who it was supposed to. The captivity and destruction of Jerusalem really did come down...etc. So that sort of evidence is ideal.
Now we could look at indirect evidences also. The continents really did move, so Eden indeed may have been in Israel, and the ark also nearby.
We could look at science and the lack of evidence or proof of any sort that the laws of our past were the same. They might take some dust sized bit of evidence, like some process that is now going on, and then take a wild and crazy leap into infinity past, and claim that the same process existed and did wonders! Science really has misused and misapplied and misunderstood the whole concept of evidence.
There is zero evidence against it. The One that rose from the dead confirmed it. It is settled.No, someone else did and you believe it with zero evidence to back it up.
There is zero evidence against it. The One that rose from the dead confirmed it. It is settled.
There is zero evidence against the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster confirms it. It is settled.
Fair enough. To be clear, I suspect that the nature change happened over a century after the flood. That means the flood was still former state.But you didn't indicate the split happened at the flood and I haven't seen you bring up this "Peleg" before.
No, I am not limiting Him. I am deducing from His motis operendi and other known works and ways. He is a smart guy. To run around like a loony tune planting full grown trees in cartoon hyper speed the day the garden was planted is absurd.Can you at least provide evidence for your understanding of how God created the garden of Eden? Also, it's shocking to me that you are limiting God's power to "hey, that hasn't been done like that before".
Oh, I don't have to look in the Bible to know that planting seeds can yield plants, I love gardenning. I'm just not going to limit God's majestic work to simply him tossing some seeds hither and thither without ruling out the very real option of him planting full trees.
No. The garden was planted. We ate fruit that week. Noah sent out a bird after the flood from the ark. No trees. Again a week later...this time there was trees and the bird had evidence in beak.I'm getting the feeling you are unable to provide evidence of fast growing vegetation in the Bible.
Rather than post a link, post a point. Maybe spell check it for good measure.Still, not a verse provided, I would note; just vague references to stories.
If you don't read the link, don't bother feigning a reply. Just say you "didn't bother reading it, neener, neener, neener", and we can go from there.
No. Key concept is that no one else was left alive save only Noah & co. That is basic stuff.It pretty clearly clarifies your lack of understanding on this point. Key word? "Tebel".
For me I found support for the state of our past. For science, we wait for support for the assumed laws that they model the past from from. And all news from science is good news for me. Just today for example, I notice that they not only admit that plate tectonics is not understood, but find new evidence that it can't be the way they claimed!Still waiting for something more than unsupported claims, dad...
For me I found support for the state of our past. For science, we wait for support for the assumed laws that they model the past from from.
All evidence agrees. Each new finding is in agreement that I have seen also. The bible and history agree. Your shrill denial is strange. I notice it is not accompanied by support for your required fantasy state past either. Why even talk?In other words, no evidence for a different state past. Thanks for clarifying.
All evidence agrees. Each new finding is in agreement that I have seen also. The bible and history agree. Your shrill denial is strange. I notice it is not accompanied by support for your required fantasy state past either. Why even talk?
That is in the eye of the beholder. Will you admit that the bible indicates a different nature if it is true?There is nothing, observed or not observed, that indicates that the laws of physics or natural laws were different in the past.
The bible indicates that as well as some early pagan records, yes. The case is easy to prove. Why are you not making a counter case here??You are the one saying that the past somehow was "different", therefore the burden of proof resides with you. You are the one that has to provide evidence for the past being "different".
All evidence agrees. Each new finding is in agreement that I have seen also. The bible and history agree. Your shrill denial is strange. I notice it is not accompanied by support for your required fantasy state past either. Why even talk?
Alright, you want evidence that the past was the same? Ok, here you go:
I am sure you don't know what that is so I will describe it for you. It is the Pinwheel Galaxy, located 21 million light years away.
So, because it is 21 million light years away, what you are looking at is a photo of the light that this galaxy produced 21 million years ago. Got it?
So, the motion of stars in this galaxy and millions of other distant star clusters follows the same laws of gravitation that we see in operation on earth today.
No. I doubt that. Easy to say though I suppose. Laws of QM? How is this pin wheel consistent with those? And if you think you know QM laws, why is there strangeness?The patterns of light and radiation from distant stars and supernovas are completely consistent with the laws of quantum mechanics and the half-lives of radioactive isotopes that we measure in earth laboratories today.
Meaningless imaginary boundary. Prove that anything is 6000 light YEARS away? Science has not been here that long. I think you mean that if our laws and space extended that far then, it would take should take could take 6000 years to get here.There are hundreds of stars in the 6,000 light year distance range from the earth, yet when we look at them, gravity, light and radiation are the same as what we see on earth today, again indicating that there was absolutely nothing different going on 6,000 years ago (or any other time).
Nope. Not if there is a different state space!If, for some unknown reason, there ever was a "different state past" we would see it in the stars, they are our window to the past.
QV 1142, ff
Excellent. So now you offer a picture! Then you make an unsupported claim about distance!!!!! Prove it. Support it. I have seen pinwheels that were small at a county fair. You need to show yours is real far therefore real big.
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