Different state past

[AV1611VET]

Then he can come and tell me himself.

I'll bet you wouldn't say that to your employer.

Reminds me of this passage:

Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

"Come on down off that Cross and let's discuss this man-to-man, if you are who you say you are!"

 

[Tiberius]

I'll bet you wouldn't say that to your employer.

Reminds me of this passage:

Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

"Come on down off that Cross and let's discuss this man-to-man, if you are who you say you are!"

If I worked for a supervisor who told me every day what the CEO wanted, and yet I never saw any sign of the CEO, never heard from him myself, never saw any evidence for him except when my supervisor said, "Today the CEO wants you to...", wouldn't I be justified in wondering if my supervisor was the one making up the rules, and then just saying that they came from someone who doesn't exist?

 

[AV1611VET]

If I worked for a supervisor who told me every day what the CEO wanted, and yet I never saw any sign of the CEO, never heard from him myself, never saw any evidence for him except when my supervisor said, "Today the CEO wants you to...", wouldn't I be justified in wondering if my supervisor was the one making up the rules, and then just saying that they came from someone who doesn't exist?

Wondering is one thing, but telling your supervisor...

Then he can come and tell me himself.

... is another.

 

[Tiberius]

If God wants to fire me (read: send me plagues, the death of my firstborn), then he can feel free to.

My point is that when the only thing that tells me about the big boss is just another guy, then I have no way of knowing if the big boss's wishes are being accurately conveyed. Nor do I even know if the big boss even exists!

 

[dad]

Have you ever asked yourself why god hasn't "revealed" this same information to his other followers? If not, you should. Then reflect on your answer.

If they can read....consider it revealed.

 

[dad]

Not a date within 4400 years.

Hey that 4400 years is within maybe a few hunderd, probably a few decades! So called science eat your heart out.

You are totally right. It is as speculative as your theory.
Are you calling God's creation silly?

No, I am calling you calling planting a garden actually meaning digging huge holes for full grown trees to be planted silly.

It defeats YOUR meaning but not THE meaning. And clearly, you have NEVER planted a garden.

Seeds. That would be the big clue here.

That or, the flood was local.

No. A local flood could not kill all life on earth, that lived on land.

Not in today's culture and society. Fly back to 4401 they could have been dime a dozen.

4401? What is that? A date? A plane? A tattoo on a shaman's rear?

My point is that you should provide evidence for your claim. You cannot find evidence for your claim?

I provide the word of God. I provide agreement with history and all knowledge of man. It doesn't get any better than that!

Well, you are struggling to understand it in the current state of mud. It seems highly presumptuous that we, stuck here in our horribleness would be able to comprehend the holy writings of prestate change.

Sorry, I think we would need puff the magic dragon to understand that attempt at normalcy.

 

[dad]

Nope, no "evidence" in the Bible either. If you can read that from what the Bible says, you can read anything in between those lines.

Planting a garden....waters and land separating...long lifespans..etc etc..?

 

[dad]

Well there you go ladies and gentlemen. If that doesn't convince the skeptics, then I don't know what will.

Thanks. I was wondering if a cheerleader would ever get here.

 

[dad]

Then he can come and tell me himself.

But as long as all you have is a book that you are just saying is the word of God, then I'm not going to believe you.

Well it is better than nothing.

 

[rambot]

I provide the word of God.

but not really right? I still haven't seen you post an actual bible verse.

 

[CabVet]

Planting a garden....waters and land separating...long lifespans..etc etc..?

And you take that as evidence for a different state past how?

 

[rambot]

Hey that 4400 years is within maybe a few hunderd, probably a few decades! So called science eat your heart out.

I guess if no evidence exists and you can just pull any number out at any point in time, standards aren't REALLY that important.

No, I am calling you calling planting a garden actually meaning digging huge holes for full grown trees to be planted silly.

Provide evidence that God didn't do it that way.

Seeds. That would be the big clue here.

The bible talks about seeds being on the produced vegetation. It says nothing about God planting seeds. There is no clue there at all, except in your own imagination.

No. A local flood could not kill all life on earth, that lived on land.

Biblical evidence for a local flood found here:
The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
Settled then.

 

[dad]

I guess if no evidence exists and you can just pull any number out at any point in time, standards aren't REALLY that important.

No. The dates for the flood are pretty well known, to a small degree of possible error. If Peleg lived after the flood, more than a century, and it was in his days that the earth was divided, or split, then we can pinpoint the time pretty well.

Provide evidence that God didn't do it that way.

Well, there is no other time that any garden was planted that way was there? Why strain at imaginary nats here?

The bible talks about seeds being on the produced vegetation. It says nothing about God planting seeds. There is no clue there at all, except in your own imagination.

Look elsewhere in the bible and see how planting involves seeds. I am not making this up. The parable of the sower, what did he plant? Full grown trees or seeds?

Biblical evidence for a local flood found here:
The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local
Settled then.

Nothing local covers all the earth, and mountains to a certain height and kills all the people. Not even a rational concept.

 

[dad]

And you take that as evidence for a different state past how?

Because to have stars far away seen in creation week, our physics can't apply. Really. To have a tree grow in a few weeks to have fruit is just not how nature works now. Really. People living century after century after century after century after century is just not normal these days either.

We also have heat produced when mass moves...friction. One can't take the land on a planet and waters and move them around and separate them without heat these days. The records indicate a different past indeed.

 

[dad]

but not really right? I still haven't seen you post an actual bible verse.

Get serious. You think I made up the flood and creation?

 

[Elendur]

dad, you making claims won't make the claims true.

When asked for evidence you don't present evidence, you just state your claim once again as if it will strengthen it.

 

[CabVet]

Because to have stars far away seen in creation week, our physics can't apply. Really. To have a tree grow in a few weeks to have fruit is just not how nature works now. Really. People living century after century after century after century after century is just not normal these days either.

We also have heat produced when mass moves...friction. One can't take the land on a planet and waters and move them around and separate them without heat these days. The records indicate a different past indeed.

This is not evidence. There is nothing wrong with heat and friction, do you know what the temperature of the core of the earth is? There will be enough energy in the center of the earth to move continents around for billions of years. How about you present some evidence for a different state past? Sometimes I am not sure you know what "evidence" means.

 

[CabVet]

Get serious. You think I made up the flood and creation?

No, someone else did and you believe it with zero evidence to back it up.

 

[rambot]

No. The dates for the flood are pretty well known, to a small degree of possible error. If Peleg lived after the flood, more than a century, and it was in his days that the earth was divided, or split, then we can pinpoint the time pretty well.

But you didn't indicate the split happened at the flood and I haven't seen you bring up this "Peleg" before.

Well, there is no other time that any garden was planted that way was there? Why strain at imaginary nats here?

Your whole theory seems to be imaginary nats so your round dismissal does nothing to prove your point. Can you at least provide evidence for your understanding of how God created the garden of Eden? Also, it's shocking to me that you are limiting God's power to "hey, that hasn't been done like that before".

Look elsewhere in the bible and see how planting involves seeds. I am not making this up. The parable of the sower, what did he plant? Full grown trees or seeds?

Oh, I don't have to look in the Bible to know that planting seeds can yield plants, I love gardenning. I'm just not going to limit God's majestic work to simply him tossing some seeds hither and thither without ruling out the very real option of him planting full trees. I'm getting the feeling you are unable to provide evidence of fast growing vegetation in the Bible.

Still, not a verse provided, I would note; just vague references to stories.

Nothing local covers all the earth, and mountains to a certain height and kills all the people. Not even a rational concept.

If you don't read the link, don't bother feigning a reply. Just say you "didn't bother reading it, neener, neener, neener", and we can go from there.

It pretty clearly clarifies your lack of understanding on this point. Key word? "Tebel".

Get serious. You think I made up the flood and creation?

Honestly, I'm beginning to think you may be the most dedicated troll ever. I mean, you haven't referred to a single Bible verse yet to support your point. You've related stories, but nothing specific. So it's really hard to accept that you actually believe this so deeply but can't pinpoint specific scripture to back yourself up.
That is odd to me.

 

[dad]

dad, you making claims won't make the claims true.

My claims are not designed to make things come true, but rather to note what facts actually exist.

When asked for evidence you don't present evidence, you just state your claim once again as if it will strengthen it.

False. Now watch carefully....If one considers God's word evidence regarding the unknown past state, then I am ready to talk about what the bible says. Notice you nor anyone else is making any bible case here? There is a reason. I have one.

When it comes to science and the lack of evidence for knowing what laws existed long ago...I have that too. Either way, I got er covered.