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[cindylou]

Another is Christ, Catholics seem to not make Him to who He was, and that's God, which is somethign most fall under.. Making Christ just a little below God is complete and total error..

Yes, you did say that Catholics seem not to make him to who He was, and that's God. Your words not mine.

My friend, you are very unclear on what the Catholic Church teaches and has taught for centuries. As I said earlier, understanding what you call "doctrine" is a process...Catholics and Protestants have many differences and I only suggested to you that before you attack the Catholic Church you should try to find out what We really believe. It is quite clear that you do not.

 

[WashedClean]

Catholics believe that Mary was immaculately conceived, that is, conceived through the Holy Spirt rather than the traditional way. Protestants do not.

I really need to correct this. I was raised Methodist, but currently belong to a non-denom church. However, it's my understanding that the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to the fact that Catholics believe Mary was "full of grace" meaning "without sin" her entire life. Thus the term "immaculate" conception. This is a believe IN ADDITION to the Virgin Birth. If I'm wrong about this, please correct me as I'm not Catholic and this is just what I've read in the past couple of years.

Protestants believe in the Virgin Birth, but not Immaculate Conception. They are two different doctrines. Because they believe in the Virgin Birth, they also believe Jesus was God and thus in the Trinity. Of course, depending upon which Protestant sect you're talking about. I'm referring to mainstream Protestants.

 

[Oblio]

Peter, "the Rock", upon which he built his Church.

Look that up in the hebrew then come back and talk to me about it

Hebrew ??

 

[AlabamaMan]

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You cannot post anything in this forum that says or insinuates that catholics are not christian. You can be warned for such offenses. Please everyone read the rules before posting.

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[JeffreyLloyd]

Thank you AM

 

[seebs]

whats he difference between catholic and christian beliefs?? (my friend wants to know)

What is the difference between women and people?

 

[Lyle]

Hebrew ??

yeah, the meaning of the word for Peter's name and the meaning for the word "rock." It may be greek though, though I'm pretty sure it's Hebrew

 

[Oblio]

Greek. Petros, the same root that we get Petroleum from.

 

[Lyle]

It has been defined like this (by many scholars)..

Rock: The Greek word meaing "rock, large rock"
Peter: The Greek word meaning "little rock."

Though I will look a little more in-depth to the translations

 

[katylees]

What is the difference between women and people?

I didn't mean it like that, i know they are christians too, i just wondered what is the difference between non denominant and catholicism, as my friend was asking me. sorry if it soudned wrong ppls ....and thankyou for the replies

 

[sioleabha]

chilehed, and WashedClean, thank you for your clarifications of my post. Like I said, I spent very little time actually in the Church when I was young, and it was a long time ago.

 

[cindylou]

it's my understanding that the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to the fact that Catholics believe Mary was "full of grace" meaning "without sin" her entire life. Thus the term "immaculate" conception. This is a believe IN ADDITION to the Virgin Birth. If I'm wrong about this, please correct me as I'm not Catholic and this is just what I've read in the past couple of years.

Protestants believe in the Virgin Birth, but not Immaculate Conception. They are two different doctrines. Because they believe in the Virgin Birth, they also believe Jesus was God and thus in the Trinity. Of course, depending upon which Protestant sect you're talking about. I'm referring to mainstream Protestants.

Immaculate Conception does refer to Mary's conception. Her parents concieved her in the natural way, but God saved her from the stain of original sin at the moment of her conception. We also believe in her perpetual virginity..She remained a virgin always. She is refered to as Theotokos: The Mother of God, in as much as she gave birth to the God-Son.

 

[lared]

Hi there!



How untrue!

True Christians are call to be sumissive to government. That is cited in both Romans and in Peter.


1 Peter 2:13-17

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

If you are going to provide answers to seekers in Christianity, you have to give answers which are in alignment with the Bible and not Watchtower Society.... else state that your answer supports Watchtower teachings and not the Bible.


~serapha~

The subject matter was Christians and warfare. I had mentioned that Christians would not fight in wars that would harm their brothers of their same faith in another country.

Serapha took exception with this.

It is true that Christians are to be submissive to secular authorities. 1.) But in all things? 2.)Should a Christian draw a line or not?

Discussion of this very important subject may aid others to answer, or at least dialogue the question presented on this thread.

I assume that the moderator can see that I have tactfully refrained from any hint of wording that one may take offense from.

 

[Svt4Him]

It has been defined like this (by many scholars)..

Rock: The Greek word meaing "rock, large rock"
Peter: The Greek word meaning "little rock."

Though I will look a little more in-depth to the translations

This is true, Peter means little rock, or piece of rock.

The Catholic church is one of the few churches that believes Peter was the first pope, and tends not to listen to anything that proves otherwise. It also believes it was the original church of Jesus, as Peter is what it builds itself on. It is steeped in tradition, although not all bad. There are good Christian people in the Catholic church, in spite of some of it's teachings.

I was RC, but am now considered protestant, although I don't really protest much these days.

 

[MattMMMan17]

This is true, Peter means little rock, or piece of rock.

The Catholic church is one of the few churches that believes Peter was the first pope, and tends not to listen to anything that proves otherwise. It also believes it was the original church of Jesus, as Peter is what it builds itself on. It is steeped in tradition, although not all bad. There are good Christian people in the Catholic church, in spite of some of it's teachings.

I was RC, but am now considered protestant, although I don't really protest much these days.

It would be more beneficial to both participating parties as well as lurkers before claims were made without supporting evidence. However, I will take the same liberties you have, and I will say, no, Peter is most definitely the rock that Christ was referring to. In fact, I'd cite proof for the belief, but, seeing as this thread is on a completely different topic, I would suggest opening a new thread on the subject of the Primacy of Peter, the Rock. IF you want to understand reasoning and not just what you've been told to believe...

 

[thereselittleflower]

by Lyle:

It has been defined like this (by many scholars)..

Rock: The Greek word meaing "rock, large rock"
Peter: The Greek word meaning "little rock."

Though I will look a little more in-depth to the translations

This is true, Peter means little rock, or piece of rock.

The Catholic church is one of the few churches that believes Peter was the first pope, and tends not to listen to anything that proves otherwise. It also believes it was the original church of Jesus, as Peter is what it builds itself on. It is steeped in tradition, although not all bad. There are good Christian people in the Catholic church, in spite of some of it's teachings.

I was RC, but am now considered protestant, although I don't really protest much these days.

No . . This is NOT true! It is a myth perpetuated to explain away the role and position Jesus gave to Peter.

There is no distinction in the Aramaic in his name . . Cephas .. in the Peshita, it says "you are Kephas and on this kephas I will build my church"

In the Greek, two genders are used petros and petra . . it has been contended by anit-catholics that petros means "little rock" and petra means "big rock" . . Jesus says:

"you are Petros and on this petra I will build my Church" . .

The only disctinction found in Greek usage between the two forms of this word, petros and petra are found in Ancient Classical Greek poetry that predated Christ by a few hundred years . .. in that usage, petros was used to refer to "little rock".

But by the time of Christ, in the common everyday Greek (Koine Greek) there was no longer made any distinction, and it was unusual for the word petros to be used, usually it was petra. But there was no distinction between them in meaning, they referred to the same, big massive rock ..

This is why you see the same word, kephas, used in the Aramaic because there was no distinction.

Matthew is making a play on words . . he is using the masculine form, petros (and properly so as this name was given to a man, Peter) for Peter's name .. but in the usual reference to a big, massive rock, he uses the usual word, petra (which being the femine form would not be proper to give to Peter) . .

It was highly unusual for any one to be called Rock at that time . . so Matthew is also making a distinction between the two forms of the word to emphasize how unusual this new name is.

The Greek word commonly used to identify a small rock or pebble is "lithos" . . one that Matthew had used previously . . so if that is what was meant here, "lithos" would have been the appropriate word to use here . .



Peace in Him!

 

[Benedicta00]

The difference is that Catholic beliefs contain the fullness of Christian teachings , customs, and practices as taught by the early first century Christians. Non-Catholic Christian beliefs contain some of the early teachings but not the all of the teachings of the early Christians and they do not keep the customs and practices of the early Church. With the reformation most of Catholic beliefs and spirituality was cut out.

 

[pmarquette]

Christians differ by the basic tenants of their faith . How they apply the
teachings of the Old and New Covenant , which scriptures they accept as literal and which they deem allegory or figurative .

Protestants and Catholics differ on the application and interpretation of several main points of Theology and Bibliology :

1. the Lord's supper
a. as per the Gospel of John
b. as per the Gospels of Mat, Mark , Luke , and the Epistles

2. baptism
a. at what age
b. whether by immersion or pouring

3. salvation
a. by grace and the sacraments
b. by faith and the words of God

4. the Holy Writ / Bible
a. how to interpret
b. what is of ministry
c. what is for laity
d. what is literal / figurative

5. sacraments ( source of grace )
a. catholics cite 7
b. some protestants cit 2
c. others cite 4
( though all practice the 7 in one way or another )

6. differ in forms of church government
a. local church
b. elders
c. rulers of congregation / magisterium
d. synods , bishops , overseer's

We both accept the 100 words that describe our faith , the Apostle's Creed
though we administer the principles differently , we both love and desire to
serve God , to the best of our ability , based upon what we have learned
within the " denomination " attended .

 

[aanjt]

Christians differ by the basic tenants of their faith . How they apply the
teachings of the Old and New Covenant , which scriptures they accept as literal and which they deem allegory or figurative .

Protestants and Catholics differ on the application and interpretation of several main points of Theology and Bibliology :

1. the Lord's supper
a. as per the Gospel of John
b. as per the Gospels of Mat, Mark , Luke , and the Epistles:

I don't get this one. Even in the synoptic gospels, Jesus says, "This is my body...this is my blood". Where some denominations differ is to whether it is the Real Presence or symbolism. Even the Episcopal Church believes in the Real Presence, we just don't explain how the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ.

2. baptism
a. at what age
b. whether by immersion or pouring:

Even Methodists baptize infants and they do not immerse. Orthodox baptize infants, but they do immerse. Episcopalians baptize infants by pouring. I believe Lutherans baptize infants. If you are referring to Roman Catholics, they are not the only ones who do these.

3. salvation
a. by grace and the sacraments
b. by faith and the words of God:

The Roman Catholics as well believe that salvation come by faith and the words of God.

4. the Holy Writ / Bible
a. how to interpret
b. what is of ministry
c. what is for laity
d. what is literal / figurative:

???? Protestants, Anglicans and Roman Catholics do not believe in all of these?

5. sacraments ( source of grace )
a. catholics cite 7
b. some protestants cit 2
c. others cite 4
( though all practice the 7 in one way or another ):

The Episcopal Church have all 7 sacraments.

6. differ in forms of church government
a. local church
b. elders
c. rulers of congregation / magisterium
d. synods , bishops , overseer's:

The Episcopal Church structure is like that of the Roman Catholic Church (minus the Pope).

We both accept the 100 words that describe our faith , the Apostle's Creed
though we administer the principles differently , we both love and desire to
serve God , to the best of our ability , based upon what we have learned
within the " denomination " attended .

I know lots of Baptists (So. Baptists) who will never say the Apostle's or the Nicene Creed. The reason why I keep saying "The Episcopal Church" is because even though we, in general, do not consider ourselves Protestant, but Catholic (just not Roman Catholic), other churches usually lump us in with the Protestants. SOmetimes people will say "Anglican" and that is fine.

Yours in Christ,
Jen

 

[SavedByGrace3]

whats he difference between catholic and christian beliefs?? (my friend wants to know)
katy xx

If you are talking about "beliefs", which are of the heart, then the differences are only in quantity, not content.

Ok, my take on doctrinal statements verses faith.

Faith is an internal thing that comes when God reveals truth into our spirits. It is not a collection of teachings that we mentally assent to. Faith, because it is in the heart and because it is always the result of a revelation from God, is never different between two believers. What God revealed into your spirit is not going to be different from what He revealed into my spirit. We may be at different levels, or I may have things that you do not have and vice versa, but everything that we share is exactly the same.

Doctrinal Statements OTOH do not alway reflect what God has actually revealed into our hearts. A doctrinal statement is an outward, mental statement about things we would like to agree on. They are like the clothing that we wear... there is a general commonality in shape, form and color, but what is on the outside is never exactly what is on the inside. Boot me in the butt if you want, but God has never revealed words like "trinity", "omniscient", "Calvinism", or "rapture" etc.. into your heart. These are words and labels we have contrived to help identify and associate with each other. Unfortunately, they have served more to divide and confuse.
We use the word "believe" interchangeably with words like "think", "agree", and "understand". These are just not the same thing. Faith has little to do with the understanding or what you think. As you renew your mind, your "outward doctrinal clothing" will begin to resemble more and more the things you believe in your heart.
Tossing someone out because their hat is the wrong color or because their pants are to long is silly. When making decisions like this, we need to pray and look at the heart. Uphold a standard, yes. But do not throw out the baby with the.... well, you know.