Difference between liberal & conservative

[Dave-W]

but the dictionary definition would seem to differ.

The dictionary also differs from what you said in the OP.

 

[FenderTL5]

..Regardless of how good or bad, I’d vote to save that child’s life. (my thinks anyways)

If you check the stats, abortions usually flatten out (they've been in decline for several years now) under GOP control and lower more dramatically under democrats.
The explanation is usually that democratic policies to prevent unwanted pregnancies and for support (food shelter etc) after a child is born in low income/volatile households are actually more effective at lowering the number of abortions than the GOP policies limiting those options.
If this is true; then voting democrat actually saves more children's lives even though their policy allows abortion, which I oppose vehemently.
Another consideration is this, and it's a consideration for me; I don't think that the GOP has any intention of actually ending abortion as long as it can be used to motivate a large portion of voters (jmho, ymmv). The GOP had an opportunity under W Bush, majorities in both legislative bodies and a friendly court and chose war in Iraq instead. The GOP has had a similar opportunity since Gorsach with Trump and majorities in both bodies - yet nothing has even been proposed.

 

[FireDragon76]

The etymology of liberal is from liberalis means "pertaining to freedom". I like that.

 

[Dave-W]

You did not check for yourself. Please do so.

Ah deflecting again.

Please check for yourself.

I checked 58 different english translations of that verse.

I did not find one instance of "accept."

Will you ACCEPT that fact?

 

[Not me]

The dictionary also differs from what you said in the OP.

Will since I used my Franklin computer dictionary to get that definition. It would seem that different dictionaries have different definitions. Please post your definition and the name of the dictionary your using. Thanks

In Christ, Not me

 

[Willie T]

That's what I used to think but conservatives who give their full support to Trump sure do confuse me.

Are we to elect a man to do a job, then tie his hands? Or worse yet, as one Democrat leader actually shamefully uttered on TV, "I will vote against ANYTHING he does, whether it is good for America, or not ."

 

[Not me]

Ah deflecting again.

I checked 58 different english translations of that verse.

I did not find one instance of "accept."

Will you ACCEPT that fact?

I wrote;

“scripture says “accept those days be shortened,”

As stated in my edit on my prior post. It was an honest mistake. I stand corrected, I went by memory. You are correct it should have been “except” my deepest apologies.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Willie T]

The main difference is that Democrats want to help those who refuse to work. And Republicans help those who can't work.

 

[Not me]

The main difference is that Democrats want to help those who refuse to work. And Republicans help those who can't work.

Don’t know if it’s the main difference. But it’s definitely one of the “LARGE” differences.

Not me

 

[Not me]

Are we to elect a man to do a job, then tie his hands? Or worse yet, as one Democrat leader actually shamefully uttered on TV, "I will vote against ANYTHING he does, whether it is good for America, or not ."

Sad but true. And they see nothing wrong with this. Shameful.

Not me

 

[essentialsaltes]

The main difference is that Democrats want to help those who refuse to work. And Republicans help those who can't work.

Not Me says that "I for one, do not believe a person is their brothers “meal ticket.”"

If you don't want to help anyone, what kind of person are you?

 

[Not me]

Not Me says that "I for one, do not believe a person is their brothers “meal ticket.”"

If you don't want to help anyone, what kind of person are you?

Please post the rest of my post to put things in context. Thanks


Question; do you believe your your brothers “meal ticket” if so please put action behind your beliefs and pay my rent. If not, your saying “saying do as I say and not as I do”. Was not this just what Jesus accused the Phasise of doing?

In Christ, Not me

 

[Dave-W]

Liberal = more concerned with equality and justice
Conservative = More concerned with purity and tradition

Please post your definition and the name of the dictionary your using. Thanks

Miriam-Webster:

Definition of conservatism
1 capitalized

a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
b : the Conservative party​

2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established

b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (such as retirement income or health-care coverage)​

3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

religious conservatism cultural conservatism
​

=========================

​

Definition of liberalism
1 : the quality or state of being liberal

2

a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see gold standard 1)

c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)

d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see 1liberal 6b) party
​

 

[Not me]

Miriam-Webster:

Definition of conservatism
1 capitalized

a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
b : the Conservative party​

2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established

b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (such as retirement income or health-care coverage)​

3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

religious conservatism cultural conservatism
​

=========================

​

Definition of liberalism
1 : the quality or state of being liberal

2

a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see gold standard 1)

c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)

d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see 1liberal 6b) party
​

Do you not see by taking my question out of context you failed to answer the question? And adding it to some other post is disingenuous.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Paulos23]

Question;

Should you compromise with evil? Would that not itself be evil?

Case in point; Should one compromise on abortion. Meaning that we should only kill half the children.

in Christ, Not me

Not much is black and white. And Abortion is definitely a whole lot of grey.

Making it illegal doesn't stop it, it just makes it more dangerous for the woman as they have to use other methods that are not safe.

I would rather it was approached on all levels. Starting with teaching kids about how to treat each other with respect and teaching them about sex education, aka safe sex.

Then having programs to help new mother's with support. And getting paid time off for the parents.

All of these things have worked in other countries. The back and white view of it is just wrong, in this case in my view, just makes things worse and does let us work on a solution.

That is the biggest problem I have with some conservatives now, they don't want to work on a solution. They want to claim it is wrong, ban it, and they don't care what happens, as long as it doesn't happen to them!

 

[Zoii]

What you don’t seem to realize is that righteousness (good) and unrighteousness(evil) do exist. And it is the refusal to see this that has gotta mankind into the situation it is in. And ONLY a acknowledgement of this truth will heal society. All else is just digging societies hole deeper and deeper. For rest assured that sooner or later mankind will get so bad that they will be forced to acknowledge this truth. Question is, how many will have to die in the meantime?

For this is the truth.;

Until righteousness is sought after for it’s own sake mankind will not know what makes for peace.

in Christ, Not me

Once again - you are dividing the people of your own country into righteous and therefore good; and unrighteous and evil. The fact is (leaving aside the down right criminals of your nation) everyone in your country has a good heart and wants the best for their country. Everyone wants to get by, raise a family, fall in love, have a job, love what ever God they worship or life philosphy they have. These are the 99% of what life is about in your country but instead you are focussing on the 1% where other peoples beliefs differ from yours. And your using that difference to drive a stake into your countrymans heart instead of seeing the commonality you share. You are being divisive and seeing it as a virtue. I see nothing virtuous in what your espousing - it runs a fine edge toward simply hating. And if its hate youre pushing towards then it makes me wonder just who is the evil group.

 

[Willie T]

Not Me says that "I for one, do not believe a person is their brothers “meal ticket.”"

If you don't want to help anyone, what kind of person are you?

When did you mail the check to pay for your brother, *NotMe's*, rent? You didn't? Well why not? After all, what kind of a person ARE you if you don't support him, just because he is able to work himself?

 

[Not me]

Not much is black and white. And Abortion is definitely a whole lot of grey.

Making it illegal doesn't stop it, it just makes it more dangerous for the woman as they have to use other methods that are not safe.

I would rather it was approached on all levels. Starting with teaching kids about how to treat each other with respect and teaching them about sex education, aka safe sex.

Then having programs to help new mother's with support. And getting paid time off for the parents.

All of these things have worked in other countries. The back and white view of it is just wrong, in this case in my view, just makes things worse and does let us work on a solution.

That is the biggest problem I have with some conservatives now, they don't want to work on a solution. They want to claim it is wrong, ban it, and they don't care what happens, as long as it doesn't happen to them!

Killing a child is not black and white. Most curious??

( unless your the child.)

In Christ, Not me

 

[Not me]

Once again - you are dividing the people of your own country into righteous and therefore good; and unrighteous and evil. The fact is (leaving aside the down right criminals of your nation) everyone in your country has a good heart and wants the best for their country. Everyone wants to get by, raise a family, fall in love, have a job, love what ever God they worship or life philosphy they have. These are the 99% of what life is about in your country but instead you are focussing on the 1% where other peoples beliefs differ from yours. And your using that difference to drive a stake into your countrymans heart instead of seeing the commonality you share. You are being divisive and seeing it as a virtue. I see nothing virtuous in what your espousing - it runs a fine edge toward simply hating. And if its hate youre pushing towards then it makes me wonder just who is the evil group.

I am not dividing the people. Just bringing forth the truth that evil and good DO exist. And until goodness (i.e. righteousness) is sought after for its own sake, mankind will continue to spiral down hill.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Paulos23]

Killing a child is not black and white. Most curious??

( unless your the child.)

In Christ, Not me

The fact you replied with a quip and not addressing the rest of the example is showing the problem. I was addressing ways to lower abortion, and you go right to it is black and white.

You wonder why people are calling you uncompromising? Right there, where I was talking about good, tested ways of lower abortions, and you act like it is not enough. I was trying to meet you in the middle, and you throw it back without discussion.

You can stand on what you think is a rock. But standing on such a position without compromise will just result in you standing on the rock, and everyone else going around you with a solution that doesn't include you.

And that is how politics is suppose to work. Not for one side or the other to take a stand and not move, but to find compromises and work through them to get something done.