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Featured Difference between hearts of stone and flesh

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, May 21, 2020.

  1. Hammster

    Hammster Tell Jabba that I’ve got his money. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
    Ezekiel 36:25-26

    Why is this necessary? What can the heart of flesh do that the heart of stone cannot?
     
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  2. Monksailor

    Monksailor Adopted child of God. Supporter

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    I think here he may be referring to the insensitivity/inhumanity of stone in contrast to that of real flesh/humanity: inconsiderate and/or indifferent in contrast to empathetic and/or compassionate.
     
  3. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Pumping blood was my first thought, which is probably why I shouldn't respond.
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Tell Jabba that I’ve got his money. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    If that’s what you think the passage is about, then you’re right. You shouldn’t.
     
  5. Tigger45

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    I’ve always taken it as your heart being a metaphor for a garden. A heart of flesh would be more pliable to the will of God.

    Hosea 10:12
    Sow righteousness for yourselves, reap the fruit of unfailing love, and break up your unplowed ground; for it is time to seek the LORD, until he comes and showers his righteousness on you.
     
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  6. OldWiseGuy

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    The stoney heart resists the will of God. The heart of flesh receives the will of God.
     
  7. icxn

    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    Love.
     
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  8. Hammster

    Hammster Tell Jabba that I’ve got his money. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Are you saying that those who aren’t saved can’t love?
     
  9. OldWiseGuy

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    They can but it's limited to the human version. ;)
     
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    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    You asked for the difference of a stoney and a fleshly heart and I answered from the perspective of their distinctive function. If you want to define the difference using salvation as the point of view, then I would say those who don't love (have a stoney heart), aren't saved (Matthew 25:41-43).
     
  11. Hammster

    Hammster Tell Jabba that I’ve got his money. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Why is this necessary? What can the heart of flesh do that the heart of stone cannot?
     
  12. Hammster

    Hammster Tell Jabba that I’ve got his money. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Maybe I assumed too much with your reply, but I’m going off the premise that the heart of stone belongs to the unsaved while the heart of flesh belongs to the saved.

    Is your view different?
     
  13. OldWiseGuy

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    The heart of flesh (as the seat of spiritual intellect) can perceive the 'godawful truth' of things that the stoney heart cannot.
     
  14. Hammster

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    Based on your response, why would someone with a heart of stone do any of that, especially being not pliable to the will of God?
     
  15. icxn

    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    Maybe. I maintain that the condition of our heart changes based on the things we think, say and do (Matthew 15:19-20) and that reflects/affects our 'saved' status.
     
  16. Hammster

    Hammster Tell Jabba that I’ve got his money. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    How does that fit with the quoted verses?
     
  17. icxn

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  19. ~Cassia~

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    I think it’s the other way around. A wooden heart is just rubble but a heart of stone can endure, and a heart of flesh would be a relief in understanding.
     
  20. icxn

    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    The list of things that come out of the heart and defile it, are the same things that Saint Paul says cause one not to inherit the Kingdom of God (not to be saved). And if one is not saved (in the end), he must have hardened his heart (Hebrews 3:12-15).
     
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