Did Yahshua Rise on the 7th Day Shabbat...

[daq]

Ex 12:1 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, “This (Abib/Nisan) month shall be the beginning of months to you; it is to be the first month of the year to you.

The annual count is still reconned on the Genisis Civil year, but the feasts are celebrated on the Exodus sacred calendar.

So yes the creation should be understood to have occurred in Autumn.

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If you picture Yom haKippurim and everything before it as eternity past, you can see that the following matches the same pattern as what has been discovered in the DSS scrolls and fragments, except that this is at the autumnal equinox instead of the vernal equinox. Could it be that this is yet another way in which the Father has declared the end from the beginning?

The equinox, (the 11th on this calendar clip), would be the first day, wherein God says Let there be light, and there was light, and God divides the light from the darkness: equal day, equal night, an equinox. And the fourth day of creation would, of course, fall on the fourth day of the week just the same as what has been found in the DSS scrolls and fragments. In this manner Yom haKippurim is eternal, and perhaps that is one more reason why it is to always be a Shabbat shabbaton, (weekly Shabbat).

 

[Filippus]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of a seven day week. The number of days in a year is not equally divisible by seven; but the 7th day Shabbat is always on the seventh day of the week. However, Hag Matzot always begins on the 15th day of the month. How do you reconcile Bikkurim falling on the same day of the month every year; if the weekly cycle is independent of , and out of sync (in whole numbers) with, the yearly and monthly cycles?

Considering the Enoch calendar it will simply by principle.

However on the lunar calendar the feast of Firstfruit is linked to the weekly Sabbath, but to achieve a Shavuot to occur that late on the third month on the year of the exodus, suggest that the Firstfruit fell very late on the first month.
The example is calculated for 30AD.

 

[Filippus]

Have you considered that none of these names were used before Moses freed the children of Israel from Egypt? And concerning the season the year begins I cover that in post #195.

I have but to illustrate the change in years I simply chose this table. Does it make it less correct?

 

[Filippus]

The third month 30 AD

 

[Humble Penny]

I have but to illustrate the change in years I simply chose this table. Does it make it less correct?

You can choose whatever table you like, but if it's to be a table which accurately reflects the internal narrative of the Bible then you'd have to abndon your modern notions or preconceived ideas yes? That's what I did in post #195 by plotting out every single possible point where any calendar system may begin their year: from you look at where Scripture begins it's calendar and you get the answer as to which calendar is starting off in the right foot.

So if you're going to label a calendar as Genesis/Civil wouldn't it be important to know that the months in Genesis are never named, but simply numbered? Don't get me wrong I love theories, Latin for "views", and believe they're absolutely essential when wanting to dive deeper in the Word of God. At the end of the day I recognize that it's important to match our theory against reality.

 

[Humble Penny]

If you picture Yom haKippurim and everything before it as eternity past, you can see that the following matches the same pattern as what has been discovered in the DSS scrolls and fragments, except that this is at the autumnal equinox instead of the vernal equinox. Could it be that this is yet another way in which the Father has declared the end from the beginning?

The equinox, (the 11th on this calendar clip), would be the first day, wherein God says Let there be light, and there was light, and God divides the light from the darkness: equal day, equal night, an equinox. And the fourth day of creation would, of course, fall on the fourth day of the week just the same as what has been found in the DSS scrolls and fragments. In this manner Yom haKippurim is eternal, and perhaps that is one more reason why it is to always be a Shabbat shabbaton, (weekly Shabbat).

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Can you show God beginning the 3rd Day with leaves falling, and trees withering? If not then you're continuing to make a false statement based solely on your assertions. That is not sound reasoning or objective at all. And you should know what the Torah says about bearing false witness...

 

[Humble Penny]

@HARK! Something else I forgot to include in post #104 is that not only did eternity exist before God created time, but only His eternal Light existed before He created the darkness: this would not only show that Light is greater than Darkness, it would also show that God begins His work in the Day and not the Night.

And I also found this to be consistent with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden which shows us beginning our lives in the Eternal Paradise of God, and had our Progenitors passed their test from God we would all have eternal life right now and not be dealing with sin; but, since we know they didn't pass the test then that brought about sin, which brought about death: therefore this would be types for Darkness; and then when God called the Light which shines through the Darkness on Day 1: these things were a type of Christ who was to come into the world of Darkness, sin and death to be the Light unto the world!

The Gospel amazingly can be preached logically and consistently. And it would be no surprise why John 1:1-5 shares so many parallels to Genesis 1:1-5!

 

[Humble Penny]

@HARK! Something else I forgot to include in post #104 is that not only did eternity exist before God created time, but only His eternal Light existed before He created the darkness: this would not only show that Light is greater than Darkness, it would also show that God begins His work in the Day and not the Night.

And I also found this to be consistent with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden which shows us beginning our lives in the Eternal Paradise of God, and had our Progenitors passed their test from God we would all have eternal life right now and not be dealing with sin; but, since we know they didn't pass the test then that brought about sin, which brought about death: therefore this would be types for Darkness; and then when God called the Light which shines through the Darkness on Day 1: these things were a type of Christ who was to come into the world of Darkness, sin and death to be the Light unto the world!

The Gospel amazingly can be preached logically and consistently. And it would be no surprise why John 1:1-5 shares so many parallels to Genesis 1:1-5!

My quote above would destroy theories concerning the day beginning in the evening or at night. God is Light therefore God is the Day: and that is why when He called the light He called it Day! Therefore this is why Yeshua tells us:

"If you have seen me (i.e. the Light) then you have also seen the Father (i.e. the Father of Lights)"!

 

[Humble Penny]

My quote above would destroy theories concerning the day beginning in the evening or at night. God is Light therefore God is the Day: and that is why when He called the light He called it Day! Therefore this is why Yeshua tells us:

"If you have seen me (i.e. the Light) then you have also seen the Father (i.e. the Father of Lights)"!

And here with this careful pondering in philosophy, we understand why the ancients understood Adam and Eve to be clothed with a nature of light: for since God is Light and made mankind in His Image, then it would follow that we were clothed with His Light.

This would help explain the nakedness at the end of Genesis 2 to mean that they indeed were created nude for they had no material clothing placed on them until after they were banished from Eden when God covered their shame with coats of skin. So because the Light of God covered our father and mother, they were not ashamed. It would not be until after they had sinned that their glorious light was taken from them and they saw their nakedness and shame, and naturally sought to cover up their indecency.

We know the garden of Eden is the true form of the Temple before it was built and God would not allow any uncleanness or indecency in His Holy Places. This may be confirmed when God instructs Moses not to build an altar with steps, so that the nakedness(i.e. undergarments and genitalia) of the priests not be seen.

 

[HARK!]

@HARK! Something else I forgot to include in post #104 is that not only did eternity exist before God created time, but only His eternal Light existed before He created the darkness: this would not only show that Light is greater than Darkness, it would also show that God begins His work in the Day and not the Night.

I see things differently. According to the Laws of Thermodynamics there are inefficiencies with motion. All energy that isn't being converted to work, is being dissipated as heat. You can simply look at the coals of a fire, from the cold distance, and get an idea of the temperature of the fire. The higher the temperature the higher the frequency of light.

Why mention all of this? Because everything that is in motion therefore must emit light. Time is the relationship between objects in motion. No motion, no time. As the electron interacts in motion with the proton the atom exists. No motion, no matter. Time and matter cannot exist without emitting light. The light that they emit, testifies to their existence. The absence of their light testifies to the absence of their existence, darkness.

What does YHWH say?



(CLV) Isa 45:7
Former יצר of light and Creator ברא of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make עשה all these things.

Three different words are being used here to describe the order of creation.

I believe that darkness is the absence of light, which would also me the absence of matter, therefore motion, therefore time. Light creates the contrast to an absence of light, or darkness.

Let's go back to the beginning for more clues.

(CLV) Gn 1:1
In a beginning Elohim created ברא the heavens and the earth.

Well there we go! My understanding must be incorrect.

Not so fast.

(CLV) Gn 1:2
As for the earth, it came to be a chaos and vacant, and darkness was over the surface of the abyss. And the spirit of Elohim was vibrating (motion) over the surface of the waters.

Was what was created ברא vibrating?

(CLV) Gn 1:3
And Elohim said: Let light come to be יהי (he-shall-become)! And light came to be ויהי (and·he-is-becoming).

I don't have this all sorted out, but it would appear that this isn't as simple as it could be made out to be in Western understanding, from a translation to English, from an evolving language, derived from Ancient Hebrew.

 

[Humble Penny]

I see things differently. According to the Laws of Thermodynamics there are inefficiencies with motion. All energy that isn't being converted to work, is being dissipated as heat. You can simply look at the coals of a fire, from the cold distance, and get an idea of the temperature of the fire. The higher the temperature the higher the frequency of light.

Why mention all of this? Because everything that is in motion therefore must emit light. Time is the relationship between objects in motion. No motion, no time. As the electron interacts in motion with the proton the atom exists. No motion, no matter. Time and matter cannot exist without emitting light. The light that they emit, testifies to their existence. The absence of their light testifies to the absence of their existence, darkness.

What does YHWH say?



(CLV) Isa 45:7
Former יצר of light and Creator ברא of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make עשה all these things.

Three different words are being used here to describe the order of creation.

I believe that darkness is the absence of light, which would also me the absence of matter, therefore motion, therefore time. Light creates the contrast to an absence of light, or darkness.

Let's go back to the beginning for more clues.

(CLV) Gn 1:1
In a beginning Elohim created ברא the heavens and the earth.

Well there we go! My understanding must be incorrect.

Not so fast.

(CLV) Gn 1:2
As for the earth, it came to be a chaos and vacant, and darkness was over the surface of the abyss. And the spirit of Elohim was vibrating (motion) over the surface of the waters.

Was what was created ברא vibrating?

(CLV) Gn 1:3
And Elohim said: Let light come to be יהי (he-shall-become)! And light came to be ויהי (and·he-is-becoming).

I don't have this all sorted out, but it would appear that this isn't as simple as it could be made out to be in Western understanding, from a translation to English, from an evolving language, derived from Ancient Hebrew.

How would you explain the Eternal Light of God with our current scientific understanding?

I learned that I had to throw out everything I learned in order to understand and see Scripture from the point of view of the ancients since many times our modern understanding is in direct conflict with the Word of God. While I am not a scientist I couldn't help but notice the contradictions between the concept of atoms, which are considered "eternal matter" and treated as energy, to be in direct conflict with the Law of Thermodynamics which tells us that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but only transferred.

Furthermore I couldn't see how matter can be destroyed, but atoms which we are told is matter cannot be destroyed. Aside from that I found that light and and energy are the only two things in nature which are infinite and eternal...so it was pretty clear to me at least that this could only be true if God is Light and Energy.

That aside I believe the biblical calendar is in direct conflict with our current understanding of how we are commonly our calendar year works. So while we will not be able to unravel all of the mysteries of God, it would be best to simply conclude that however the world works that it has been doing just fine since God created it.

 

[Filippus]

You can choose whatever table you like, but if it's to be a table which accurately reflects the internal narrative of the Bible then you'd have to abndon your modern notions or preconceived ideas yes? That's what I did in post #195 by plotting out every single possible point where any calendar system may begin their year: from you look at where Scripture begins it's calendar and you get the answer as to which calendar is starting off in the right foot.

So if you're going to label a calendar as Genesis/Civil wouldn't it be important to know that the months in Genesis are never named, but simply numbered? Don't get me wrong I love theories, Latin for "views", and believe they're absolutely essential when wanting to dive deeper in the Word of God. At the end of the day I recognize that it's important to match our theory against reality.

Again you are missing the point, here we are four feeds later and you are still hung up on the Babylonian table that I used, which changes noting.

Why cant you stay on subject and refrain from nit picking on irrelevant points side tracking the chain of thought?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Exactly my point!

On the festival, points directly to the 14th when the people prepared the lambs for the Pesach that evening of the 15th, He was crucified several days later.

No the 14th would have been before the feast day of the 15th hence getting his body into the grave before sunset and breaking the legs of the other 2...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

As you know it all depends on where you start your reference count.

On the 16th...the day in question

 

[daq]

Can you show God beginning the 3rd Day with leaves falling, and trees withering? If not then you're continuing to make a false statement based solely on your assertions. That is not sound reasoning or objective at all. And you should know what the Torah says about bearing false witness...

You are continuing to make false statements.
Believe what you will.

 

[HARK!]

How would you explain the Eternal Light of God with our current scientific understanding?

Like I said, I don't have this all sorted out. Let alone explaining he who is greater than all. He created all that was created. Therefore he must transcend all that was created.

Furthermore I couldn't see how matter can be destroyed, but atoms which we are told is matter cannot be destroyed. Aside from that I found that light and and energy are the only two things in nature which are infinite and eternal...so it was pretty clear to me at least that this could only be true if God is Light and Energy.

I took a course on Thermodynamics; and on the first day I saw the contradiction between the laws.

You might find this OP interesting: Science Proves Creation

It drives Atheists crazy.

 

[Filippus]

My quote above would destroy theories concerning the day beginning in the evening or at night. God is Light therefore God is the Day: and that is why when He called the light He called it Day! Therefore this is why Yeshua tells us:

"If you have seen me (i.e. the Light) then you have also seen the Father (i.e. the Father of Lights)"!

I disagree respectfully, I was I firm believer that the Hebrew day started in the morning, but was convinced by scripture to the opposite. Your proof must line up with scripture, history and Jewish tradition,whether you approve or not.

I was also convinced that the Enoch calendar must be the divinely inspired calendar used in the Temple, but again the evidence from scripture and historical sources strongly supports that the lunar calendar was in use in the Temple II. Now how that calendar looked and functioned is really the question. And in my own search I read that they were possibly on a 8 year observational cycle.

As per Gen, God made the two great lights to rule, and scripture suggest that both was used to keep track of time, and therefore a Lunar solar calendar. The Lunar cycle a very simple indicator of the weekly Sabbath and a reasonable assertion that it would have been used to assist with those not close to Jerusalem.

And yes I am well aware that our current calendar is a result of Hillel II.

I know you will not agree, but it comes down to what you submit to.

And please keep the reply to the point, not a reference back to your study, if we can't discuss this freely and without emotional responses, what is the point of this feed?

Shalom

 

[HARK!]

but again the evidence from scripture and historical sources strongly supports that the lunar calendar was in use in the Temple II.

How far does your evidence go back in the Second Temple period? Does it go back to before when the Zadokim were exiled? This is an important consideration.

 

[Humble Penny]

I disagree respectfully, I was I firm believer that the Hebrew day started in the morning, but was convinced by scripture to the opposite. Your proof must line up with scripture, history and Jewish tradition,whether you approve or not.

I was also convinced that the Enoch calendar must be the divinely inspired calendar used in the Temple, but again the evidence from scripture and historical sources strongly supports that the lunar calendar was in use in the Temple II. Now how that calendar looked and functioned is really the question. And in my own search I read that they were possibly on a 8 year observational cycle.

As per Gen, God made the two great lights to rule, and scripture suggest that both was used to keep track of time, and therefore a Lunar solar calendar. The Lunar cycle a very simple indicator of the weekly Sabbath and a reasonable assertion that it would have been used to assist with those not close to Jerusalem.

And yes I am well aware that our current calendar is a result of Hillel II.

I know you will not agree, but it comes down to what you submit to.

And please keep the reply to the point, not a reference back to your study, if we can't discuss this freely and without emotional responses, what is the point of this feed?

Shalom

Post #195 gives all people regardless of calendar views and faiths to choose what day of the week their calendar starts. Once that whole s you simply see if it lines up with Scripture and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

[HARK!]

Post #195 gives all people regardless of calendar views and faiths to choose what day of the week their calendar starts. Once that whole s you simply see if it lines up with Scripture and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I'm not ready to choose. I still have much evidence to gather, including all relevant writings from the Apostles. After that, I need to sort through all of that evidence. After that I'll choose; and after that I'll post that choice to be tested.

I guess that I should start gathering those writings; because until we have all of that testimony for review; it would not be exercising due diligence to apply any calendar to an incomplete testimony.