Did We Elect a Tyrant?

[JimR-OCDS]

I am sure that the recent election in the USA actually did not resemble this - link to how Hitler came to power, and here is another one another link to how a tyrant got power in Germany decades ago. Maybe I missed something, and if you don't like someone that just won a democratic election you are now annoyed or upset, but try not to let Hitler make you panic now, because he really was a tyrant.

I am sorry if anything in my post seems disrespectful, I do not intend that.

Hitler did not win the election in a direct way, but through political maneuverings.

Adolf Hitler never won a majority in a free and open national election. He never received more than 37% of the vote in a free and open national election, but he argued that 37% represented 75% of 51%, and demanded political power. It was the political calculus by which the Nazi leader disabled, then dismantled, the Weimar Republic. Hitler exploited his 37% to gridlock legislative processes, to cudgel or crush the political opposition, and ultimately to undermine the country’s democratic structures. When Hitler had vowed in court, in September 1930, to destroy democracy through the democratic process, a judge asked, “So, only through constitutional means?” Hitler replied crisply, “Jawohl.”

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The point I'm making in starting this thread is that we need to be watchful.

Currently, Trump is doing what we elected him for and what the left hates.

That being said, things can go bad very quickly and egos being what they are in
politics, we can see a tyrant come to power.


Watch and pray!

 

[Clare73]

No, I'm not dissatisfied with Trump as of yet. Heck, the alternative would've been far worse especially
in the early days. As it is, the left is fighting against Trump's EO's. especially in the blue states. I've seen
school superintendent's order bus driver and teachers not to cooperate with ICE agents.

That being said, we must keep our eyes and ears open and pray that we remain centered
in Christ. Hopefully, President Trump will also be centered on Christ.

All I'm asking in opening this thread is to keep vigil. The German people thought they were
doing the right thing electing Hitler in the early days. Let's not repeat their mistake.

I'd be more impressed if I had seen the same concern when all the mind-bending lawfare was occurring.

 

[RamiC]

Hitler did not win the election in a direct way, but through political maneuverings.

Adolf Hitler never won a majority in a free and open national election. He never received more than 37% of the vote in a free and open national election, but he argued that 37% represented 75% of 51%, and demanded political power. It was the political calculus by which the Nazi leader disabled, then dismantled, the Weimar Republic. Hitler exploited his 37% to gridlock legislative processes, to cudgel or crush the political opposition, and ultimately to undermine the country’s democratic structures. When Hitler had vowed in court, in September 1930, to destroy democracy through the democratic process, a judge asked, “So, only through constitutional means?” Hitler replied crisply, “Jawohl.”

Is President Trump dismantling the Constitution?

 

[Richard T]

Trump's goal is the common good of all American citizens. To repair and build a better nation for all of us. Apparently some faction is highly opposed to that. Thus the deluge negative propaganda.

In many things you are right. However, Trump also looks out for himself and his donors foremost. That is typical political behavior.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Is President Trump dismantling the Constitution?

Not, as of now.

Who knows what's comng.

 

[Clare73]

Is President Trump dismantling the Constitution?

That should be easy to decide. . .or send it to the Supreme Court.

That very Constitution contains safeguards against dismantling it.

Did you study civics?

 

[RDKirk]

If he is currently doing the " right things " why question his actions by labeling him as possibly being a tyrant in the making? I'm a bit confused on your post . It sounds like an oxymoron.
Thanks for your clarification!

I don't see any confusion in the question. It's certainly possible to elect someone who promises to do the things you'd want done without desiring someone who will break the republic to do it.

I think a lot of people voted for Trump with the belief that he was not going to do the republic-breaking things the DNC said he'd do.

I hope they're right, but I fear they're wrong.

And there are people who voted for Trump who don't care if he breaks the republic, as long as he makes the US look they way they want it to look.

 

[RDKirk]

That should be easy to decide. . .or send it to the Supreme Court.

That very Constitution contains safeguards against dismantling it.

Did you study civics?

Only if the Supreme Court and the Congress actually operate as checks and balances.

In this case, both the Court and the Congress appear to be willing to go along with anything Trump wants. If the Congress consistently passes the laws he wants and the Court consistently agrees they're Constitutional...then there are no checks and balances, just a bunch of rubber stamps.

 

[Vambram]

Is President Trump dismantling the Constitution?

No, he is not.

 

[Clare73]

I don't see any confusion in the question. It's certainly possible to elect someone who promises to do the things you'd want done without desiring someone who will break the republic to do it.
I think a lot of people voted for Trump with the belief that he was not going to do the republic-breaking things the DNC said he'd do.
I hope they're right, but I fear they're wrong.
And there are people who voted for Trump who don't care if he breaks the republic, as long as he makes the US look they way they want it to look.

And you know this, how?

Were you concerned about the previous administration's lawfare (bootstrapping misdemeanors to felonies) breaking the republic?

 

[Aldebaran]

It may seem like tyranny when we see Trump getting so many things accomplished in such a short amount of time. However, he did say during his campaign speeches what he was going to do if elected, and that he'd do them quickly. After hearing what he promised, the American people elected him.
Fulfilling his promises about what he'd do as president isn't tyranny. It IS long overdue. May as well get things done ASAP.

 

[Clare73]

Only if the Supreme Court and the Congress actually operate as checks and balances.

In this case, both the Court and the Congress appear to be willing to go along with anything Trump wants. If the Congress consistently passes the laws he wants and the Court consistently agrees they're Constitutional...then there are no checks and balances,

You assume what you are not in agreement with needs to be checked and balanced.
Maybe what you are not in agreement with is the check and balance of former misuse and imbalance with which you are in agreement.

just a bunch of rubber stamps.

That's the way it works!

The will of the people is supposed to govern, and they expressed their will in the landslide outcomes.

 

[RDKirk]

You assume what you are not in agreement with needs to be checked and balanced.
Maybe what you are not in agreement with is the check and balance of former misuse and imbalance with which you are in agreement.

That's the way it works!

The will of the people is supposed to govern, and they expressed their will in the landslide outcomes.

Once upon a time...but not that long ago, within my adulthood, Congress and the Supreme Court jealously guarded their independence from the Executive Branch. Even a Senator of the same party as the president did not consider the president his "superior" in any way. That's why Congress could have impeached Richard Nixon.

The same had been true of the Supreme Court. It wasn't at all unusual for a Justice to lean against the wishes of the president who appointed him, in favor of the Constitution.

 

[RDKirk]

And you know this, how?

Were you concerned about the previous administration's lawfare (bootstrapping misdemeanors to felonies) breaking the republic?

I have already stated in other threads that I consider the current Democratic Party to be essentially Marxist in ideology, and I can describe that in detail.

I don't know what "bootstrapping misdemeanors to felonies" means (I think you misunderstand "bootstrap"), but if you mean overzealous prosecution attempts, that doesn't "break the republic" at all. It's overzealous use of existing republic tools...which, if you'll notice, was effectively checked by the courts or Congress.

 

[Clare73]

Once upon a time...but not that long ago, within my adulthood, Congress and the Supreme Court jealously guarded their independence from the Executive Branch. Even a Senator of the same party as the president did not consider the president his "superior" in any way. That's why Congress could have impeached Richard Nixon.

The same had been true of the Supreme Court. It wasn't at all unusual for a Justice to lean against the wishes of the president who appointed him, in favor of the Constitution.

Independence from the Executive Branch does not mean non-correction of lawfare practiced by the Executive Branch, as in the previous administration.

 

[RDKirk]

Independence from the Executive Branch does not mean non-correction of lawfare practiced by the Executive Branch.

That didn't make any sense in regard to my post.

 

[Fantine]

People sitting out the election was due to poor civics education. Many people actually thought things were going well under Biden and were complacent.

Yes, like historians, world leaders, Wall St., unions. And me, obviously, but I was in good company.
But we were not complacent, just tremendously unlucky.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I think a lot of people voted for Trump with the belief that he was not going to do the republic-breaking things the DNC said he'd do.

Really? So they wanted to vote for a liar? All this is just too much. I only pray that those Christians who put faith in the flesh decide to come back to the Spirit, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Blessings

 

[mourningdove~]

Yes, Trump was elected by a majority of voters.

Currently, he is doing the right things that we elected him for.

However, I have to question, did we elect a tyrant in the making?

I don't think so, but I'll admit I've been *amazed* at the swift pace at which he is working. Like, non-stop.

But then I think about all he and his family have been thru the past four years (what details we do know) ...
and the two assassination attempts we know about ...
and so maybe Trump is working hard now to accomplish many things, while he can.

None of us have any guarantees about 'tomorrow' but attempts on one's life probably do affect the way one views life, and there may be a tendency to take 'time' less for granted.

And then, of course, when one's life has been spared, one can have a great sense of 'mission' afterwards.
President Trump surely does appear to be 'a man on a mission'.

... just my philosophical way of seeing things.

Really, though, I believe things in America are much worse than maybe some of us want to think. But Trump is in a position to know how bad they are, and to work to do something about it. And so he is. I do hope he is mentoring JD well, too, should the baton get passed onto him.