Did Tupac die a Christian?

[hischeeseburger]

Only God Knows who is saved.

 

[peanutbutter12]

Because we all know that everyone who thanks God at those award shows are Christians...
</sarcasm>

CJ

 

[Macewindu77815]

No you can't. That's a typical judgemental teaching that the modern church has been cramming down the throats of Believers for too long. All it has done is create an army of Christians who walk around judging people according to how they act and dress, where they go, and what kind of music they listen to. That has nothing to do with Spiritual Fruit!

Jesus said this:

John 13:35 "This is how everyone will recognize that you are my disciples--when they see the love you have for each other."

Foo, you are the freakin man.

 

[andrewglesener]

Please don't ever come to Washington State with that statement. He did not die a Christian,he died witholding the names,places of women he murdered and threw away like dirt.He was a psychotic. You have your views here very mixed up,wherever you're getting them.My mom knows the parents of Janice Ott(a victim). With this getting off topic,please think about what you're posting here. To "die" a Christian means asking forgiveness and pardon. HE NEVER DID. This does not belong in this forum.

Is there something wrong with tupac being a christian??? Just because he messed up doesnt mean he cant be a christian! Just because your mom knows the parents (and im guessing you sorta do) doesnt mean you need to hold a grudge. I fully belive tupac was a christian before he died.
Andrew Glesenerhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

 

[andrewglesener]

Man some of you im not sure if you even know what christian is.
example:

we can tell if someone is saved our not by their fruit and their life style and the friut that i saw in him was not the fruit of the holy spirit

 

[-Kyriaki-]

andrew:

it is by GRACE that we are saved, not by works - ephesians 2:8&9
and romans 10:9 says that "if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord you will be saved."

we are told many times not to judge - it is not up to US to say whether he was saved or not. you can't make statements like you just did without anything to back them up, particularly when what you say contradicts the bible

 

[andrewglesener]

No i didnt say "we can tell if someone is saved our not by their fruit and their life style and the friut that i saw in him was not the fruit of the holy spirit" someone else said it and i was useing that as an example that i dont even think some of these people one this forum are christian.

 

[andrewglesener]

tired of gettin shot at
Tired of gettin chased by the police and arrested
Thugs need a spot where WE can kick it
A spot where WE belong, that's just for us
Thugs ain't gotta get all dressed up and be Hollywood
Y'knahmean? Where do Thugs go when we die?
Ain't no heaven for a thug
That's why we go to thug mansion
That's the only place where thugs get in free and you gotta be a G
... at thug mansion

[Verse One: 2Pac]
A place to spend my quiet nights, time to unwind
So much pressure in this life of mine, I cry at times
I once contemplated suicide, and woulda tried
But when I held that 9, all I could see was my momma's eyes
No one knows my struggle, they only see the trouble
Not knowin it's hard to carry on when no one loves you
Picture me inside the misery of poverty
No man alive has ever witnessed struggles I survived
Prayin hard for better days, promise to hold on
Me and my dawgs ain't have a choice but to roll on
We found a family spot to kick it
Where we can drink liquor and no one bickers over trick ****
A spot where we can smoke in peace, and even though we G's
We still visualize places, that we can roll in peace
And in my mind's eye I see this place, the players go in fast
I got a spot for us all, so we can ball, at thug's mansion

[Chorus: J. Phoenix + (Nas)]
Every corner, every city
There's a place where life's a little easy
Little Hennessy, laid back and cool
Every hour, cause it's all good
Leave all the stress from the world outside
Every wrong done will be alright (I wanna go)
Nothin but peace (I wanna go) love (I wanna go [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse])
And street passion, every ghetto needs a thug mansion

[Verse Two: Nas]
A place where death doesn't reside, just thugs who collide
Not to start beef but spark trees, no cops rollin by
No policemen, no homicide, no chalk on the streets
No reason, for nobody's momma to cry
See I'm a good guy, I'm tryin to stick around for my daughter
But if I should die, I know all of my albums support her
This whole year's been crazy, asked the Holy Spirit to save me
Only difference from me and Ossie Davis, gray hair maybe
Cause I feel like my eyes saw too much sufferin
I'm just twenty-some-odd years, I done lost my mother
And I cried tears of joy, I know she smiles on her boy
I dream of you more, my love goes to Afeni Shakur
Cause like Ann Jones, she raised a ghetto king in a war
And just for that alone she shouldn't feel no pain no more
Cause one day we'll all be together, sippin heavnly champagne
where angels soar, with golden wings in thug's mansion

[Chorus w/o Nas]

[Verse Three: 2Pac]
Dear momma don't cry, your baby boy's doin good
Tell the homies I'm in heaven and they ain't got hoods
Seen a show with Marvin Gaye last night, it had me shook
Drippin peppermint Schnapps, with Jackie Wilson, and Sam Cooke
Then some lady named Billie Holiday
Sang sittin there kickin it with Malcolm, 'til the day came
Little LaTasha sho' grown
Tell the lady in the liquorstore that she's forgiven, so come home
Maybe in time you'll understand only God can save us
When Miles Davis cuttin lose with the band
Just think of all the people that you knew in the past
that passed on, they in heaven, found peace at last
Picture a place that they exist, together
There has to be a place better than this, in heaven
So right before I sleep, dear God, what I'm askin
Remember this face, save me a place, in thug's mansion

[Chorus]

 

[jasperbound]

So, lyrics fall into the realm of non-fiction?

 

[andrewglesener]

Yeah why?

 

[foo-oswald]

No i didnt say "we can tell if someone is saved our not by their fruit and their life style and the friut that i saw in him was not the fruit of the holy spirit" someone else said it and i was useing that as an example that i dont even think some of these people one this forum are christian.

I must confess, Andrew, I was confused by that other post as well. I see whatcha mean now, though...

 

[-Kyriaki-]

oh okay, sorry i misunderstood

 

[jasperbound]

Yeah why?

So, if a rapper claims to have killed somebody in a song, that is a clear confession that should get them imprisoned.

Of course, it's possible that lyrics, like other forms of art, can be fiction.

 

[fifi]

he was a seeker and found Christ at the end. Isn't there something about the last being first and the first being last in the Bible?

i would love to hear why you think that he found God because by his life style does not show that in any way.

 

[foo-oswald]

i would love to hear why you think that he found God because by his life style does not show that in any way.

Were you watching him 24/7 the last months of his life or something? How do you know what his "lifestyle" was prior to his murder?

Nevermind. I don't even know why I'm doing this to myself. I don't even like rap music...

 

[fifi]

i dont have to watch some 24/7 to see if some one is saved our not i am not a big rap fan anyway but i dont have to be but if you think that he went to heaven i would like to know what bible you are reading because the word of God sayes you must be holy to enter the rest of God our heaven and the way he lived and talked and carried himself was not holy but if you think that its ok but the bible says you will know them by their fruits. and you have to relize that we are all striving for holyness so their is no need to get up set if yoy were sounded loke you were but if not my bad

 

[foo-oswald]

i dont have to watch some 24/7 to see if some one is saved our not i am not a big rap fan anyway but i dont have to be but if you think that he went to heaven i would like to know what bible you are reading because the word of God sayes you must be holy to enter the rest of God our heaven

Right. And how do we become holy? God sees us as holy when we make the decision to believe in Christ.

And, if you can, please tone down the attitude ("i would like to know what bible you are reading"). Let's talk about this like adults, okay?

and the way he lived and talked and carried himself was not holy but if you think that its ok but the bible says you will know them by their fruits.

You're not paying attention to anything anyone has posted. You're making a judgemental assumption based on your limited knowledge of his life.

Nobody has said that he deserved to be admitted to heaven based on how Christ-like his entire life was.

The point made was that he became a believer shortly before he died. It's not your place- or anyone else's- to judge whether that can or cannot be true.

But, you sound as though your views of salvation fall into the "saved-by-works" category, which I disagree with whole-heartedly. If I've guessed wrong here, my apologies...

and you have to relize that we are all striving for holyness so their is no need to get up set if yoy were sounded loke you were but if not my bad

Upset? Nah. But, fifi, I must say something: Please try and make your posts a little more readable. I'm getting a headache trying to decipher them. Try using punctuation, capital letters, and correct spelling.

I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck, I'm making a sincere plea...

 

[fifi]

I thought the post said did he die a christian? and what I said did line up with the post because I said the way he lived on this earth was not holy. And I dont belive in saved by works by any means because are works will not get us to heaven only living holy and seperation from wourdly luts and I am sorry if i made you fill that I had a attitude because thats not me at all. and for the spelling a just tybe faster then i think some times thats all
God bless

 

[Skinster007]

Tupac gave some guy a beat down in a casino right before he got shot. So I would say he probably wasn't saved when he died.

 

[foo-oswald]

Tupac gave some guy a beat down in a casino right before he got shot. So I would say he probably wasn't saved when he died.

So, me get this straight, then: If one is a Christian, one will absolutely never lose his/her temper and get in fight?

Is that what you're saying? Or are you focusing on the fact that he was- *gasp*- at a casino?

Just a little food for thought to serve as a comparison: The Pharisees publicly accused Jesus of being Beelzebub because He did things that were contrary to Judaical tradition, from picking grain to eat on the Sabbath to healing a demon-possessed man. Read Matthew 12.

Granted, I'm not saying that Tupac fighting in a casino is comparable to healing a demon-possessed man. What I'm saying is that your attitude about it is comparable to the Pharisees' judgemental attitudes...