Did the universe begin to exist?

Did the universe begin to exist?

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Upon discussing creation and other topics related to creation, I am genuinely curious of something. How should we Christians understand the universe? We say God created the universe, but what exactly does that mean?

The poll is straightforward, but if anyone wants to comment further on their answer or answer the other above questions it is encouraged.
 

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I don't know if I could be clearer: Did the universe begin to exist?

By Universe are you talking about the universe as we understand it, the universe according to M-brane (or is it P-brane ) theory, the universe as describe in the bible or what?
 
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By Universe are you talking about the universe as we understand it, the universe according to M-brane (or is it P-brane ) theory, the universe as describe in the bible or what?
The universe as we understand it, however that is actually how you understand it. So don't ask me what the universe is, you know what you think it is, so answer from that perspective.
 
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I believe what you're asking is did the universe have a beginning or has it always existed. This is a question evolutionists (and even some TE's) have struggled with for decades. For those of us who are Christians, this is simple. Genesis 1:1 spells it out.
 
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Upon discussing creation and other topics related to creation, I am genuinely curious of something. How should we Christians understand the universe? We say God created the universe, but what exactly does that mean?

The poll is straightforward, but if anyone wants to comment further on their answer or answer the other above questions it is encouraged.

I think it's fairly safe to say that both from a religious as well as scientific view we can say that the observable universe came into existence before which it wasn't.

That the Something that exists (including all possible universes, worlds, etc) began. By faith we confess "God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things seen and unseen."

We shouldn't make God be a tool to fill in the presently unknown gaps of our knowledge of nature; but rather continue to confess the faith while acknowledging the numerous breakthroughs in the study of cosmology and cosmogony. If the two come into conflict, then we have erred somewhere in our thinking, generally by trying to conflate concepts in ways we shouldn't. We must not confess a "god of the gaps", but rather God as God.

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Hmm, I would have always thought that philosophically speaking, the idea of the universe being eternal is inaccurate. Why do you come to such a conclusion, though?

From my perspective, all that exists of my own past is my memory of it, and my memory exists as a biological state in the present moment- it's material. Likewise, my concept of the future is only a cognitive projection that relies on my perception of the past. So the concept of time as I perceive it to be is only the perception of change.

TBH I do not know what the universe is but if it had a beginning, there's no reason that I know of to assume that change did not exist before its beginning. There may have been other universes or realities, etc. Eternal material change seems much more feasible to me than the idea that nothing existed before our own reality came into being.
 
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I think it's fairly safe to say that both from a religious as well as scientific view we can say that the observable universe came into existence

I really don't know of anyone who doesn't believe that.

So what was this poll about? :confused:
 
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It just got me thinking -- how should Christians understand the universe?

1) as created, and hence of finite age

2) as rationally created, and hence displaying order and pattern

3) as freely created, and hence contingent

“The medievals certainly took it for a dogmatic verity that the universe was created freely and rationally throughout, the only kind of universe that lends itself to scientific investigation.” -- Stanley Jaki, The Savior of Science
 
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I believe what you're asking is did the universe have a beginning or has it always existed. This is a question evolutionists (and even some TE's) have struggled with for decades. For those of us who are Christians, this is simple. Genesis 1:1 spells it out.

Well, Genesis 1:1 may not spell it out as clearly as is hoped. The Hebrew may imply that matter existed alongside God, in which case, the matter with which the cosmos was formed is not itself created.

Just thought I'd throw that in there...
 
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Alan Hooker said:
Well, Genesis 1:1 may not spell it out as clearly as is hoped. The Hebrew may imply that matter existed alongside God, in which case, the matter with which the cosmos was formed is not itself created.

Just thought I'd throw that in there...


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The trinity of trinities. In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth(matter)...if He created them then they couldn't have existed alongside Him. ;)
 
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We live in a world of cause and effect: for everything that happens, there was something that made it happen. Because of that simple but universal rule, the universe had to have been caused by something which itself had to have a cause.

Now if only someone solved the infinite regression '...God-God-God-God created God-God-God created God-God created God created the universe...' paradox (if something had to create the universe, wouldn't something have to create God? And if God-God created God, who created God-God? God-God-God? But who created God-God-God?).

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Audacious said:
We live in a world of cause and effect: for everything that happens, there was something that made it happen. Because of that simple but universal rule, the universe had to have been caused by something which itself had to have a cause.

Now if only someone solved the infinite regression '...God-God-God-God created God-God-God created God-God created God created the universe...' paradox (if something had to create the universe, wouldn't something have to create God? And if God-God created God, who created God-God? God-God-God? But who created God-God-God?).

James

God is eternal, and is not affected by His creation, nor subject to the laws He set for its existence.
 
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The idea of a universe that had no beginning, but which had always existed as it does now, and would always exist in the future as it exists now, was the belief of Albert Einstein. When the Big Bang theory was first formuleted in the 1920's he argued against it, as it did not seem to be aesthetically neat enough for him. It was only after he was presented with evidence showing the 'flying away' of the galaxies contained within the universe that he grudgingly accepted it.

But this posed a problem which Albert Einstein himself recognized earlier than many others. Under his original belief that the universe was permanently fixed in a certain place, always had been in that place, and always would be in that place, there was no need to concern himself with a Prime Mover (he had proclaimed himself to be an atheist). But when he realized that the universe had a definite point in time and space where an initial action started the chain of events which has culminated in our living on this planet today, his own theory of relativity dictated that the action (The Big Bang) must also be seen as a reaction to another action which had preceded it. It is believed that this led in his later years to his saying that he believed in the God of Spinoza.

Recently there were 4 hours of documentaries on The Discovery Channel, all of which supposedly featured Stephen Hawking, a noted physicist and cosmologist. He's suffering from Lou Gehrig's disease, and can only communicate through his eye movements 'writing' messages on a special computer. When the documentary 'Last Days on Earth' was being filmed, questions which only required answers of less than 20 words had to be sent to him weeks in advance so that he could answer them. He has also been quoted (supposedly) by evangelical atheists in an effort to give their arguments against the presence of God more authority.

One of the documentaries shown dealt with the universe's being brought into existence by God, and supposedly Stephen Hawking's reply to that. According to the narrator who read most of the documentary, he stated categorically that there was no God as the creator. However, the reason for his saying this has made me suspicious that others may have taken advantage of his physical condition in order to 'put words in his mouth'.

He made an error that even high school students would have caught concerning the nature of the singularity which began the whole process of 'universe making'. He called that singularity a black hole. A black hole is universally accepted as the endresult when a massive star goes into supernova, or even hypernova, and then collapses in on itself. It becomes so dense that its gravity reaches the level where even light cannot escape its pull. The combination of elements that it processed during its lifetime, such as carbon and iron, that it manufactured during its explosion, such as gold and uranium, and that it captured from whatever was nearby when it finally collapsed, all contribute to this incredible density.

But the singularity is accepted by scientists as not only a single point in time and space, but also a single element, namely, hydrogen. When the Big Bang occurred, mainstream science teaches that this element, the lightest atomic weight known to us, was the only element in existence. Following shortly after the Big Bang stars formed that were so massive that even the present-day monsters such as Betelgeuse would have seemed to be ping pong balls next to them. These stars lasted only a few million years, but their fusion furnaces manufactured heavier elements, and their resultant explosions added still more elements to the universe. This very gradual process led to the manufacturing of the elements we recognize today.

It is also why science teaches that there was an intervening timeline of 10 billion years between the time of the Big Bang and the beginning of this solar system's formation. It took that long for the preceding stars to 'cook' the elements necessary in order to form our sun and planetary system. However, whoever wrote the script and tried to claim it as being Stephen Hawking's work would have us believe that as of the very beginning of the universe's coming into existence, every element needed for our solar system's formation was already present.
 
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