Did the Founding Fathers get anything Wrong?

[driewerf]

The only problem for you is that Jesus is God, and He’s King. False gods are just that.

Yes, we are.

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
— Matthew 28:18

Yes.

No.

 

[Hammster]

No.

Yes.

‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,
You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”

Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
Take warning, O judges of the earth.
Worship the LORD with reverence
And rejoice with trembling.
Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled.
How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!
— Psalm 2:8-12

 

[Bradskii]

The only problem for you is that Jesus is God, and He’s King.

What I'm saying is that it is no problem for me. Just as Shiva is no problem. It's beyond trite for you to then say 'Ah, but Jesus is God'. It is as meaningless to me as someone saying that Shiva exists. Are you really not able to understand that?

 

[driewerf]

Yes.

Still no.
But...

‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,
You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”

Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
Take warning, O judges of the earth.
Worship the LORD with reverence
And rejoice with trembling.
Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled.
How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!
— Psalm 2:8-12

Hurrah, an attempt at providing an argument.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think a bible quote is relevant?

 

[Hammster]

What I'm saying is that it is no problem for me. Just as Shiva is no problem. It's beyond trite for you to then say 'Ah, but Jesus is God'. It is as meaningless to me as someone saying that Shiva exists. Are you really not able to understand that?

I understand that you think it’s meaningless. That doesn’t change the truth, though. Hopefully you can understand that.

 

[Hammster]

Still no.
But...

Hurrah, an attempt at providing an argument.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think a bible quote is relevant?

Because it’s truth.

 

[driewerf]

Because it’s truth.

How do you know it is truth?
And how can I know it is truth?

 

[Hammster]

How do you know it is truth?
And how can I know it is truth?

You already know it’s true.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
— Romans 1:18-19

 

[Bradskii]

I understand that you think it’s meaningless.

Then you understand that someone telling me that something I believe is meaningless has authority over me is equally meaningless. I think that was one of the things that the founding fathers got right. That it's up to each individual who he or she accepts as authority in a religious sense.

It shouldn't have taken more than one post for that conclusion to be exhibited.

 

[Hammster]

Then you understand that someone telling me that something I believe is meaningless has authority over me is equally meaningless. I think that was one of the things that the founding fathers got right. That it's up to each individual who he or she accepts as authority in a religious sense.

It shouldn't have taken more than one post for that conclusion to be exhibited.

It’s not meaningless for me to tell you the truth. What’s meaningless is you trying to talk me out of it.

 

[driewerf]

You already know it’s true.

No, I don't.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
— Romans 1:18-19

And nothing has been revealed to me.

 

[driewerf]

It’s not meaningless for me to tell you the truth.

Again, how can we know that you tell us the truth?

 

[Hammster]

No, I don't.

And nothing has been revealed to me.

You are suppressing the truth.

 

[Hammster]

Again, how can we know that you tell us the truth?

I’ve explained it.

 

[driewerf]

You are suppressing the truth.

Nope. And it is still not sure it is the truth.

 

[driewerf]

I’ve explained it.

Where? I must have missed it.

 

[Hammster]

Nope. And it is still not sure it is the truth.

Then there’s no reason to argue with me.

 

[Bradskii]

It’s not meaningless for me to tell you the truth. What’s meaningless is you trying to talk me out of it.

You think that what what I was trying to do? Talk you out of your beliefs?

I was explaining my views to you. Yours are no concern to me, but I respect them anyway. It would be nice for you to reciprocate. But that's your call.

 

[BCP1928]

It’s not meaningless for me to tell you the truth.

Why should we trust you to tell it to us?

 

[Hammster]

You think that what what I was trying to do? Talk you out of your beliefs?

I was explaining my views to you. Yours are no concern to me, but I respect them anyway. It would be nice for you to reciprocate. But that's your call.

I didn’t think you were trying to talk me out of my beliefs. You just want me to shut up about them.