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Did Peter Consider Himself The Head Of The Church ?

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I love to read and study the scriptures, and because I do, I find that they alone answer all questions which arise, and draw all sorts of opinions from those that have no interest in them; however, any and all opinions that disagree with the written word of God, does not detract anything from what they themselves declare concerning the TRUTH.

That Peter had zeal for the Lord, and an impetuous person, for sure we can point out as characteristics which can be made to describe this man of GOD.

If He would have been appointed the "VICAR" on which the Church was to be built, HE not only didn't Claim this position for himself by words, but, he did not show it by action at the First Church Council (Acts 15:1-35).

PETER, never presented himself as
the "VICAR of Christ" on earth nor as the head of the Church, nowhere in the scritures does hem point out his "primacy" over the other Apostle.

At the first "Church Council" which was convened at
Jerusalem, was NOT convened or called for by PETER, but at the request of PAUL and Barnabas.

Acts 15
15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.



It was James, the Elder who presided at the council according to;

Acts 15
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is , that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


Peter viewed himself with the same authority as the other apostles (1 Pet 1:1; 2 Pet 1:1; Eph 1:1; 1 Tim 1:1).

As`a church leader, he introduced himself, not as the head of the Church, but simply as one among many "elders", "a fellow elder".

He spoke to the elders not as one having authority over them, but as one with them.

1Pet
5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, as a fellow elder , and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

Unlike the Pope who is accountable to no human, (according to;ref; "the teaching of the Catholic Church, by Neuner & Roos, S.J., page 226, No. 381),

Peter submitted to the authority of the Church. On at least one occasion He and John were sent by the apostles to Samaria (Acts 8:14)



ARE THERE EXAMPLES IN SCRIPTURE OF PETER EXERCISING AUTHORITY OVER OTHER APOSTLES, OR THE CHURCH ??

If so please reference them!
 

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Acts 15:7, during the first Church Council, the Council of Jerusalem...
And after a long debate, Peter got up and said to them,
"Brethren, you know that in early days GOD made choice among us, that through MY mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the Gospel and believe."

Some detractors of Peter's primacy try to show that James (Acts 15:13-21), held the primacy simply because he was the Bishop of Jerusalem. Well, he may have been the Bishop of Jerusalem during this Council, but Peter was the Bishop of the whole world. See Acts1:8, where Jerusalem was only one of many See's to be founded by the Apostles. The books of Acts, Revelation, and a few others, record more than 30 additional see's other than Jerusalem.
Jerusalem would certainly not even have been considered by the Apostles to be the seat of Christianity, as they had been forewarned by Jesus Himself that the city would soon be totally destroyed. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when Roman legions did indeed destroy it.
See Matthew 24 beginning with verse 15.



Without a solid foundation a house falls. St. Peter is the foundation, but not founder of the Church; administrator, but not Lord of the Church. The Good Shepherd (Jn 10:11) gives us other shepherds as well (Eph 4:11).





Jesus told Peter alone to be the SHEPHERD of His flock.
In John 10:16, Jesus said, "...and there shall be one fold and ONE SHEPHERD." The Greek word used here is "poimen (masculine, singular)". Clearly, Jesus said in these verses that there will be only ONE SHEPHERD, and that shepherd will be Peter, the first Bishop of Rome and the first Pope.
 
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To Lion Heart:

I'm sure Peter had something to say about Church leadership, but I'm VERY interested in what Luke had to say about PETER'S leadership role in the Early Church. Let's look at Acts of the Apostles together, shall we?

Acts, chapter One:
Peter calls for a vote to choose Judas's successor.

Acts, chapter Two:
Peter makes a speech at the Pentecost, explaining the Holy Spirit, and that the Apostles were NOT drunk. He recites the Old Testament to the crowd, and his words cut to the heart of the people. They asked what to do, and Peter told them, "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Spirit."

Acts, chapter Three:
Peter performs the first miracle of the Apostles and cures the crippled beggar at the temple. Peter then speaks to the people about what he has done, and preaches Jesus to the people.

Acts, chapter Four:
Peter and John are taken before the Sanhedrin, and Peter speaks for them. He proclaims Jesus to the Sanhedrin.

Acts, chapter Five:
Peter finds out about Ananias, and confronts his deceit. When Peter admonishes him, Ananias dies. Peter confronts Sapphira about the deceit. When he admonishes HER, she dies.
Peter answers the Sanhedrin when the Apostles are brought to trial before them. Peter announces they must obey God and not men.
The shawdow of Peter causes miracles.

Acts, chapter 8:
The Apostles in Jerusalem hear that Samaria has accepted the word of God, and Peter and John are sent. Peter refuses to sell the power of the Holy Spirit for money.

Acts, chapter 9:
Peter heals Aeneas at Lydda.
Peter restores Tabitha to life.

Acts, chapter 10:
Peter has the vision where the Lord declares all that is unclean is now clean.
Peter accepts Cornelius, a Gentile, in spite of the Jewish law.
Peter speaks to the Gentiles, and witnesses the Holy Spirit being bestowed upon them. Peter orders them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Acts, chapter 11:
Peter explains his vision to the other Apostles.
Peter declares the church of Jesus is for the Gentiles, too.

Acts, chapter 12:
Peter was arrested by Herod and put into prison.
An angel of the Lord breaks Peter out of prison.

Acts, chapter 15:
Peter declares to all that being circumcized and following Mosaic law is unnecessary for the followers of Jesus.

Whenever Peter is by name mentioned with any of the other Apostles, his name is always mentioned first, a sign of respect.


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Jesus told Peter alone to be the SHEPHERD of His flock.
In John 10:16, Jesus said, "...and there shall be one fold and ONE SHEPHERD." The Greek word used here is "poimen (masculine, singular)". Clearly, Jesus said in these verses that there will be only ONE SHEPHERD, and that shepherd will be Peter, the first Bishop of Rome and the first Pope.

TRENTO.... Please explain to Me - wheredoes it mention anywhere that PETER was the Sheperd?? I would love ot give you the benefit of the doubt - but as I posted afterwards - that passage is Jesus saying He is the SHEPERD - the ONLY SHEPERD... so - by your definition - JESUS is the first POPE............

7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.A He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me-- 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father--and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd

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To Wayne:

Jesus is the Good Shepherd, yes; but after He was Resurrected and before He ascended to the Father, He told Peter to feed his sheep; tend his sheep; feed his lambs. Jesus TRANSFERRED the earthly care of His flock to Peter.


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Stephen...

is there a direct correlation between Sheperd and someone feeding sheep??????????? can you be a sheperd and need to go away and ask Me to feed your flock and tend to them while your not around??? I see it that way.....
 
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your more then welcome - I have no problem proving Peter wasn't the Sheperd - but a subservient man that tended the FLOCK - not the Sheperd of the Flock - and he tended them along with others... that is exactly what I meant - the post was in support of Stephen...........
 
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To Wayne:

Actually, Peter and subsequent Popes have ALWAYS presented themselves as subservient men, tending the flock in the Master's absence. Peter described himself as a servant of the servants.

And if the Shepherd leaves, He doesn't appoint a BUNCH of replacements. The sheep would get confused. He appoints ONE.


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>You answered your own question.<

Not so. I said that no one else is recorded in the Bible as being told to feed sheep by Jesus. That does not mean anything more than what it says. Now please answer the question, yes or no.

>He told Peter to feed his sheep<

Do you know that Peter was the only person that this applied to?

Stephen
 
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whatever.......


still proves that PETER was NOT THE SHEPERD and YOU agreed to it - :clap: there was and is only ONE SHEPERD........ JESUS CHURST........ period...... and I guess Paul -Timothy and the others DIDN'T tend the flock - they just stood by and listened... fine.....
 
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To Stephen:

If you agree that no one else in the Bible was given those instructions that Jesus gave to Peter, WHAT is your argument about?

As I said, you've answered your own question. Why do I need to re-answer it?

KC! Put on yer judgin' robes and tell this lawyer to quit badgering the witness!


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To Wayne:

Peter is the replacement Shepherd. Never said he wasn't! That is the position of the Catholic Church. Jesus KNEW He had to leave, to return to the Father, so he put in place His Church, and the framework of the management of that Church, to tend His sheep until He returns.

And the other Apostles went and gathered more sheep! They kept the new herd together until they could be brought under the guidance of the replacement Shepherd!


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