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Can I ask how and why Jesus made Peter the rock that Christ built His church upon, when Jesus told Peter He would deny Him three times and not only did Peter reply , ‘Never Lord’ and then did just that but was warned in advance by Jesus he would do it.I have never thought Paul was speaking that he presently sinned more than anyone else, meaning "chief." He would literally be admitting he wasn't even a Christian. He would have no right to write any epistle on the Christian walk. Besides, he would be contradicting what he has said regarding sin.
AmenI just want to know how many perfect sinless people have been in my school, my church, my home, my town.
I'm not talking about our imputed righteousness. Who here deserves his blessings?
Matthew 1:21What you have said is absolutely correct. As Christians we are forgiven, but we still sin.
Some on this thread have said that still sin but as Christians they are no longer sinners. That is wrong. If you sin--and we all sin--then you are a sinner. Forgiven, yes, but a sinner nonetheless.
I’ve stated this already—being forgiven.Matthew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Do you believe Christ has done this yet? If So, what is your definition of being saved from sin?
Can I ask how and why Jesus made Peter the rock that Christ built His church upon, when Jesus told Peter He would deny Him three times and not only did Peter reply , ‘Never Lord’ and then did just that but was warned in advance by Jesus he would do it.
In your theology, Peter would be willfully sinning.
My questioning was why you said that our justification in Christ does not cover ALL sins.
You said it does not I believe, so if the price is spiritual death then in your theory Christ would cut us loose each time we sin. Because the price of sin is spiritual death.
So how do you figure that we always have the Holy Spirit if Christ doesn’t constantly and always justify us from the beginning
The question is not whether Peter sinned, the question isThat was before the crucifixion wasn't it? And Peter repented bitterly. Without the Holy Spirit we sin. When did Peter receive the Holy Spirit?
Why are you asking me to answer a question that is not even my hyothesis or theology?What sins would you be committing if you walked in the Spirit and you are dead to sin? Romans 6:2 and Romans 8:8-9? Did Jesus plan on you to continuously sin when He has given you His Spirit who never sins?
2 Peter 1:9 "For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins."
The question is not whether Peter sinned, the question is
"Why after Peter's sin, did Jesus Christ, God Himself call Peter the rock that He would build His Church upon"
Because if God, who Jesus Christ is did not believe that He died for willful sin, like Peter's than wouldn't Christ be being dishonest in that He would build His Church upon a man who would do right to His Face what He would not justify us for later, after His death?
How does that make sense in the understanding that Jesus Christ is God and perfect? That would be God contridicting His own rules that He would soon be putting into the New Covenant.
God doesn't contridict Himself.
Why are you asking me to answer a question that is not even my hyothesis or theology?
You tell me you never lie to your boss about that you are sick. Or that you never want what someone else has, a car, a house, children, a happy marriage or shoes, or anything.
Let's go through each of the ten commandments because you are not holding yourself to the perfection of them if you say you do not sin. Never not love your neighbor, not love anyone. Never are selfish, give your money to those in need, the least of these who are hungry, widows orphans, helping everyone who needs help. Never being selfish.
You are putting yourself right in line with the perfect life after salvation that Christ lived, so let's talk about your life and mine and let's be honest.
I don't want to talk hypotheticals. Let's talk life, each day how we live and be honest.
You game? I am
Why are you asking me to answer a question that is not even my hyothesis or theology?
You tell me you never lie to your boss about that you are sick. Or that you never want what someone else has, a car, a house, children, a happy marriage or shoes, or anything.
Let's go through each of the ten commandments because you are not holding yourself to the perfection of them if you say you do not sin. Never not love your neighbor, not love anyone. Never are selfish, give your money to those in need, the least of these who are hungry, widows orphans, helping everyone who needs help. Never being selfish.
You are putting yourself right in line with the perfect life after salvation that Christ lived, so let's talk about your life and mine and let's be honest.
I don't want to talk hypotheticals. Let's talk life, each day how we live and be honest.
You game? I am
Show that Peter repented for this particular sin in the Bible.Jesus KNEW Peter would sin, but He also KNEW that Peter would repent. It is called foreknowledge.
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
The knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God is the rock. Jesus is the cornerstone, not Peter.
So your life is so perfect, like Christ's that you would be bragging about all the wonderful things God is doing in your life each and every day and how loving and perfect you are that you keep all of God's commands perfectly as Christ did?Sorry, but I am not going to brag about my life. You have no idea, and it is not up to us to SAY we don't sin, but to show it with out life for others to judge.
Show that Peter repented for this particular sin in the Bible.
This other verse has nothing to do with the previous verses it is a different context and situation.
So let's get back to Peter denying Jesus three times and Christ building His Church upon Peter after willful sin.
So your life is so perfect, like Christ's that you would be bragging about all the wonderful things God is doing in your life each and every day and how loving and perfect you are that you keep all of God's commands perfectly as Christ did?
You are Jesus Christ's mini-me.
Why not brag, I'm sure others will be very inspired by all the love and perfection you do in the world and for God's Kingdom each day.
Perfection often inspires. So inspire me please.
They are part of scripture and Bible verses, but they must be in context.The scriptures that I quoted are NOT in your theology? What book is your theology based on?
Well, you just called me a liar, which is bearing false witness against me, because my motives are true and GOD KNOWS THAT, but you are not perfect like God and you have broken the Law and sinned.Sorry, anyone can discern your motives are not what you say.
They are part of scripture and Bible verses, but they must be in context.
So I'm saying you do not understand them correctly.
Well, you just called me a liar, which is bearing false witness against me, because my motives are true and GOD KNOWS THAT, but you are not perfect like God and you have broken the Law and sinned.
So, you just proved yourself a sinner.
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