Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

You or I or most in this thread are not going to have a homosexual relationship or commit adultery.

How easy it is to choose a
Sin you may not commit. Is that to deflect from the sins we each commit everyday? Seems convenient.

Christ is not a convenient God, nor has His standard ever been particularly convenient.

So I’ll ask again. Do you feed yourself, yet let others in your sight go hungry every single day?

1. Clearly we disagree on what a sin is... that’s the main problem. 2. I answered your question with an example... but I think what you’re doing actually is asking me the question myself now. 3. To answer that question I live on a college campus... you don’t really come across homeless people here so there aren’t really any homeless people in my sight every day.

 

[ToBeLoved]

He can't answer for me, but I will. Once a long time ago, my girlfriend and I went shopping and I found a long vest and then a dress made out of the same material and they looked good together. When we got to the register, I noticed the girl only rang up one, thinking they were a set. We left. I couldn't rest. I told my girlfriend we had to go back. Even though she claimed to be a Spirit-filled Christian too, she thought I was crazy, so drove us home. The next day I went back to the store and hung the vest back up, which wasn't on the receipt. And peace fell over me again. I learned from that, and now I watch to make sure everything is accounted for. I don't want to go through that again!

So you didn’t return it that day?

And when is any of our righteousness measured of the unrighteousness of anyone else.

So that makes you perfect like Christ? That is your standard. You are as righteous as God

 

[ToBeLoved]

1. Clearly we disagree on what a sin is... that’s the main problem. 2. I answered your question with an example... but I think what you’re doing actually is asking me the question myself now. 3. To answer that question I live on a college campus... you don’t really come across homeless people here so there aren’t really any homeless people in my sight every day.

So then. Let’s talk lust then. Lots of people to lust about around.

We can make the question more relevant to your life.

And I DO assume you are a virgin. And never even thought of anyone in any type of way who is not your spouse. If you have one

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

No. The focus was that Jesus demanded all. Jesus standard is high and where does it say the rich man had anyone else he needed to provide for?

Did any of Jesus apostles starve or run naked?

What did the rich man keep that he had to have?

No the focus is that one thing is you hold on to it can hold you back. Chris tested him by asking him to sale all as a response to him stating how he follows all the commandments to prove that point. If the point was to simply sale all you have as a Christian then why would the fact that the man follows every other commandment be even mentioned? Clearly the focus was that if you hold on to one thing that you aren’t willing to give up if it comes down to it... weather that’s the love of money for example or something else will hold you back regardless if you are doing everything else right. The focus wasn’t the money itself but the fact that his love for that money would keep him from submitting to God. Also I’m not saying the rich man had anyone to provide for... what you need to understand is when you read scripture you also must apply it to yourself. Most people have other people or other things they must provide money for... so if you take that into consideration clearly we aren’t expected to sale everything we have just cause... and clearly that isn’t the focus.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

So then. Let’s talk lust then. Lots of people to lust about around.

We can make the question more relevant to your life.

And I DO assume you are a virgin.

I am a virgin and what about lust?

 

[1stcenturylady]

No. A different covenant means it has nothing to do with our covenant. A covenant is specific. We have Christ’s permanent forgiveness, they had temporary atonement and a high Lecitical priest between them and God.

We have a 24/7 Hotline to Jesus Christ.

They had they MUST obey all of the Law perfectly or are guilty of all of it.

I don't know about you, but I learn aspects of God and what He is like and think from the Old Testament. Numbers 15 is one of them. That sacrifice even had an element of bread and wine in it. To me I see the significance of the Lord's Supper, even to what it meant about partaking unworthily. If we are grieving the Holy Spirit will willful sin, that is partaking unworthily. I know it doesn't say that, but in light of Numbers 15, that is exactly what it says to me. I always examine myself before I partake.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I am a virgin and what about lust?

Well adultery is not only sinning against yourself and God but the other person. The one listed after. And God says that when one lists at all in their mind it is adultery.

So either you are true to and love God with all your Heart, Soul and Mind or you are not.

So you’ve never thought of another person in your mind with lust? Marriage has no bearing btw.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I don't know about you, but I learn aspects of God and what He is like and think from the Old Testament. Numbers 15 is one of them. That sacrifice even had an element of bread and wine in it. To me I see the significance of the Lord's Supper, even to what it meant about partaking unworthily. If we are grieving the Holy Spirit will willful sin, that is partaking unworthily. I know it doesn't say that, but in light of Numbers 15, that is exactly what it says to me. I always examine myself before I partake.

So you take words written 2,000 years before Christ, under a different covenant. A covenant called inferior by God Himself and figure those words are about and go with the Lords Supper?

What does JESUS body and blood even mean to you?

Please explain so I can see how that could ever be relevant.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Well adultery is not only sinning against yourself and God but the other person. The one listed after. And God says that when one lists at all in their mind it is adultery.

So either you are true to and love God with all your Heart, Soul and Mind or you are not.

So you’ve never thought of another person in your mind with lust? Marriage has no bearing btw.

If you’re asking if I every thought about a girl that liked me/ I was into as well, or a girl that gave me the look with lust sure I have. But that was before being saved/the first months of myself being saved. After I prayed about it and dealt with that now i notice I simly look at a woman you know when you sort of acknowledge their prescense and I no longer give a secound look or anything like that after. I’ve changed as a minister and it’s been a good change for me. Now sure am I saying it’s easy? No, if someone looks at you or someone is attractive you are tempted to look longer and think about sleeping with them or what not... but the Bible never says it’s easy but it does say we can do it. That the flesh can be put under subjection and that’s simpl what I’ve managed to do through the power of God. It takes diligence and prayer but it’s possible to resist lust.

 

[1stcenturylady]

1) all that he does "bad behavior", is NOT accounted as SIN, it is accounted as
FORGIVEN SIN.

Get the TRUTH in your thoughts - SIN is AGAINST GOD - FORGIVEN SIN is NOT AGAINST GOD.



God Bless,
SBC

I understood what you were saying until this part I'm quoting. Can you supply scripture and say again what you mean?

 

[ToBeLoved]

No the focus is that one thing is you hold on to it can hold you back. Chris tested him by asking him to sale all as a response to him stating how he follows all the commandments to prove that point. If the point was to simply sale all you have as a Christian then why would the fact that the man follows every other commandment be even mentioned? Clearly the focus was that if you hold on to one thing that you aren’t willing to give up if it comes down to it... weather that’s the love of money for example or something else will hold you back regardless if you are doing everything else right. The focus wasn’t the money itself but the fact that his love for that money would keep him from submitting to God. Also I’m not saying the rich man had anyone to provide for... what you need to understand is when you read scripture you also must apply it to yourself. Most people have other people or other things they must provide money for... so if you take that into consideration clearly we aren’t expected to sale everything we have just cause... and clearly that isn’t the focus.

Every disciple walked away from everything. Even the guy who wanted to bury his dead father.

Just because this is money and the other disciples were poor doesn’t mean Christ accepted less than everything.

So show me one that Christ accepted less than everything in a disciple?

 

[ToBeLoved]

If you’re asking if I every thought about a girl that liked me/ I was into as well, or a girl that gave me the look with lust sure I have. But that was before being saved/the first months of myself being saved. After I prayed about it and dealt with that now i notice I simly look at a woman you know when you sort of acknowledge their prescense and I no longer give a secound look or anything like that after. I’ve changed as a minister and it’s been a good change for me. Now sure am I saying it’s easy? No, if someone looks at you or someone is attractive you are tempted to look longer and think about sleeping with them or what not... but the Bible never says it’s easy but it does say we can do it. That the flesh can be put under subjection and that’s simpl what I’ve managed to do through the power of God. It takes diligence and prayer but it’s possible to resist lust.

so your saying there was never even a thought. For a split second ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

So you take words written 2,000 years before Christ, under a different covenant. A covenant called inferior by God Himself and figure those words are about and go with the Lords Supper?

What does JESUS body and blood even mean to you?

Please explain so I can see how that could ever be relevant.

First of all, the OT is a schoolmaster. All scripture is given for instruction in righteousness, etc. I know I refer to it on how God views remarriage after divorce, but not about other things fulfilled in the New Testament, like the Sabbath and clean vs. unclean meats.

The difference that I can see between how you and I believe has to do with sin.

For me once I came to Christ and truly repented, all sins I did previous to that moment were cleansed, and Jesus gave me the Holy Spirit to walk in. He also made me dead to sin.

You believe your past, present and future sins are forgiven, so if you commit a sin, you won't experience the consequences.

We both believe a whole lot more, but isn't that about it in a nutshell?

 

[ViaCrucis]

There’s a difference between sinning and falling short before the glory of the lord. Not loving a neighbor as much as you can or contributing as much here or there would be falling short

But that's literally what sin is--falling short, missing the mark, etc. The Hebrew word is chata, a verb that means "to miss" or "to go wrong". In Greek we have harmatia, which likewise means "to miss the mark" or "to err". In English we use "sin" to translate both of these. But that's literally what sin is--doing what we ought not do, and failing to do what we ought; it is the failure to hit the mark, the mark in this case being God's righteous commandments. That's why St. Paul writes in Romans 3 that "All have sinned and fallen short".

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Every disciple walked away from everything. Even the guy who wanted to bury his dead father.

Just because this is money and the other disciples were poor doesn’t mean Christ accepted less than everything.

So show me one that Christ accepted less than everything in a disciple?

If you’re looking at this verse from the context of the 12 disciples later known as the apostles (the rich man technically was being invited to be a disciple basicully) then sure as a disciple he would have to give it all. But we aren’t apostles... they had authority we who are saved and unsaved will never have. They had authority to add new books to the Bible... they had to face unimaginable pain and crazy deaths as well for the power they had... they had to sacrifice more so then any today have to. None of us play the role they did. So I agree with you the disciples specifically had to give up everything to be a follower of Chris manifested in flesh on Earth. And to walk into the role of an apostle. We aren’t apostles... we aren’t the 12...

 

[1stcenturylady]

so your saying there was never even a thought. For a split second ?

Look at James 1:14-15. When does temptation/thought become "sin"?

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

A split second thought is from the devil, which all he has to do is resist and the devil will flee (also in James)

 

[ToBeLoved]

If you’re asking if I every thought about a girl that liked me/ I was into as well, or a girl that gave me the look with lust sure I have. But that was before being saved/the first months of myself being saved. After I prayed about it and dealt with that now i notice I simly look at a woman you know when you sort of acknowledge their prescense and I no longer give a secound look or anything like that after. I’ve changed as a minister and it’s been a good change for me. Now sure am I saying it’s easy? No, if someone looks at you or someone is attractive you are tempted to look longer and think about sleeping with them or what not... but the Bible never says it’s easy but it does say we can do it. That the flesh can be put under subjection and that’s simpl what I’ve managed to do through the power of God. It takes diligence and prayer but it’s possible to resist lust.

So you never imagine anyone undressed or watch an r rated movie of anyone in a compromising situation or porn or look at everyone as anything other than you would look at your sister or mother?

That is the standard.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So you didn’t return it that day?

And when is any of our righteousness measured of the unrighteousness of anyone else.

So that makes you perfect like Christ? That is your standard. You are as righteous as God

No, I didn't return it that day.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

But that's literally what sin is--falling short, missing the mark, etc. The Hebrew word is chata, a verb that means "to miss" or "to go wrong". In Greek we have harmatia, which likewise means "to miss the mark" or "to err". In English we use "sin" to translate both of these. But that's literally what sin is--doing what we ought not do, and failing to do what we ought; it is the failure to hit the mark, the mark in this case being God's righteous commandments. That's why St. Paul writes in Romans 3 that "All have sinned and fallen short".

-CryptoLutheran

The verse I mentioned mentions coming short before the glory of the lord and sin as if they are two diffent things. Additionally, miss the mark... there is a verse that mentions pressing towards the mark for a prize of a high calling. Missing the mark refers to rightoueness not falling short of being the equivalent of God, but rather falling short of being like Christ being a Christian, being what God has for you to be in the body of Christ. To go wrong is the opposite of to be right or rightoueness... that’s beyond just missing an opportunity that’s going against God, that’s pure hatred, that’s homosexuality, that’s murder, that’s lasciviousness etc.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Look at James 1:14-15. When does temptation/thought become "sin"?

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

A split second thought is from the devil, which all he has to do is resist and the devil will flee (also in James)

Why don’t you look for the verse that says if you lust in your heart it is adultery.

Because that verse is not, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

It was a specific temptation if you are following the conversation