Did Luke have access to the complete Matthew?

[redleghunter]

The quotes are often the same as those of the four books. And why would a theologian quote that which made them of no purpose?

That is kind of delving into conspiracy theory.

That would mean every early church father was trying to suppress the Gnostic sayings in the supposed gospel of Thomas.

Nice research project showing what the sub and post apostolic fathers quoted in their writings.

Early Christian NT References

 

[timothyu]

That would mean every early church father was trying to suppress the Gnostic sayings in the supposed gospel of Thomas.

If you are trying to build a religion then obviously it would be wise to ignore that which eliminated the middle man. The suggestion is there in the four books canonized but less obvious. Theology which is nothing more than religious philosophy, was able to divert a direct relationship between man and God into the need for a religion, institution and clergy.

 

[redleghunter]

If you are trying to build a religion then obviously it would be wise to ignore that which eliminated the middle man. The suggestion is there in the four books canonized but less obvious. Theology which is nothing more than religious philosophy, was able to divert a direct relationship between man and God into the need for a religion, institution and clergy.

And you see the gospel account attributed to Thomas as a key pillar in suppressing this relationship?

 

[timothyu]

And you see the gospel account attributed to Thomas as a key pillar in suppressing this relationship?

No, just another example of where oneness with God was suppressed in order for man to build yet another one of his earthly kingdoms.

 

[redleghunter]

No, just another example of where oneness with God was suppressed in order for man to build yet another one of his earthly kingdoms.

There is not enough of this message in the canonical Scriptures?

 

[timothyu]

There is not enough of this message in the canonical Scriptures?

How often do you hear it preached we are one with God and not separate?

 

[redleghunter]

How often do you hear it preached we are one with God and not separate?

Please explain this. It is manifest in Scriptures Christ abides in us and we in Him. The Scriptures testify that all things are in, through and with The Person of Christ Jesus.

There is nothing which states we are of the same substance and become God. Perhaps the Gnostics believed that but it is not evident from the NT Scriptures.

 

[JackRT]

That is why most theologians today believe three of four gospels were penned before 70AD.

I have come to the exact opposite conclusion.

 

[redleghunter]

I have come to the exact opposite conclusion.

I don’t doubt that.

 

[timothyu]

There is nothing which states we are of the same substance and become God

That is what was sidetracked. We are not God but God is us.

 

[redleghunter]

That is what was sidetracked. We are not God but God is us.

Could you explain this?

 

[timothyu]

Could you explain this?

We are but a part of the whole.

 

[redleghunter]

We are but a part of the whole.

Heard something like that in Star Trek Deep Space 9.

 

[timothyu]

Heard something like that in Star Trek Deep Space 9.

God is all and created all, therefore all is a part of God.

 

[redleghunter]

God is all and created all, therefore all is a part of God.

God is the uncreated Creator.

 

[timothyu]

God is the uncreated Creator.

Of course, so nothing is separate from God.

 

[redleghunter]

Of course, so nothing is separate from God.

God is not His own creation.

 

[timothyu]

God is not His own creation.

I agreed and God is all there is

 

[redleghunter]

I agreed and God is all there is

You advocate panentheism?

 

[JackRT]

You advocate panentheism?

I do. As Paul said when debating the pagan philosophers on Mars Hill "In God we live, move and have our being."