No idea what you're on about now. I love you. Forget those others.
Hello.
You share your experience of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as if it gives you some authority from God over me yet you don't know me at all, whether I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit or even my background as a Christian.
If you were to have authority from God as one sent by God it would be accompanied by some things you don't exhibit, therefore the authority is only over you..
(If you were being chitchatting that's fine too, it just seemed out of place for that and in place as an appeal to authority)
At any rate, as this authority is only over you, it leaves the rest of us to determine, using the tools God gave us, whether or not the message your coming with is from God or not.
We do this by examining scripture to see if it contradicts God Word. Any thing in contradiction of His Word must be rejected.
I have examined what you said and found it to contradict the Word, so I rejected it just as I am commanded. Each person must determine for themselves...
I'm not sitting and arguing with you, I had only posted to share something.
Can you provide for us a source where one of the Reformers said to love God, then live as you please? Thanks.
No one in the Reformed tradition believes or teaches or advocates that we should sin since we are now saved by grace.That was Augustine. But even if he didn't mean it negatively, the Reformers took it to "Sin boldly" The twisting of scripture was nothing new to the Reformers, so could have twisted the words of Augustine as well. For the reformers to advocate sinning at all, when we are dead to sin, is resurrecting the sin nature.
But you know full well that what they do teach is the very biblical concept which says that if we do sin after being saved the grace of God which saved us in the first place apart from our own works of righteousness will abound even more.
No - the doctrine of grace does not assume the conclusion that we should sin that grace may abound even more. That would be warped theology.That begs the question, why not sin so grace can abound even more? It is warped theology.
No - what the good news is is that He has already given all men that scripture.What the good news is, is that we can be free from sin through Jesus Christ. He will give any who repents of sin, His own sinless powerful scripture.
What it teaches is that it is not only possible but that through Christ we have already been declared righteous and have been seated with Him in Heaven. It teaches that we have an advocate before God - Jesus Christ our Lord.But they teach the opposite - that we will always sin, because we will always be in the flesh. That is the dangerous defeatist doctrine of the Reformation, which twists the words of Paul. What the truth is that Paul and the other apostles teach is to be found without spot and blameless - which the Reformation declares impossible.
The Reformers did teach correctly that salvation should result in a life of righteousness.2 Peter 3: Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,.....
A devil's doctrine is, go ahead and sin, you're forgiven.
You quote 1 John 2:1. Did you notice that there is no asking for forgiveness for those sins? That should give you a clue that they are the same sins that can be called unintentional trespasses of 1 John 1:7. They are NOT willful sins of Hebrews 10:26.
If you are walking in the Spirit, which a Christian does, you are spiritually minded which is life and peace. You are not willfully sinning, which is lawlessness, for to be carnally minded is death.
The person who cannot fully understand and relate to 1 John 3:9 is one who is still carnally minded, and understand the Scriptures through this fog. They believe if I can't relate to this verse, then the meaning of the verse must change - not I. They turn the grace of God into lasciviousness. "Sin boldly!" Now that is a doctrine of demons.
And Paul joins John and says, "sin is dead." Not the law. Sin is still lawlessness. Jesus didn't take away the law, He took away SIN - our need for the law. The reason why Jesus came is because of SIN, not the law.
Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. ... 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Think of them as well as you would wish them to think about you.You may not know about them. But their doctrines are alive and present, unfortunately.
When I give my testimony of when I was baptized with the Holy Spirit, those whom have also been baptized, rejoice, as I am confirming their own experience. I do the same when I hear others speak of their own experience.
The only ones with authority are the ones who wrote the Scriptures by inspiration of God. There are those, even on this thread who want to change the meaning and the implication to something they can relate to without having to change anything in themselves. But without the Spirit the true meaning is foolishness to them.
Test yourselves. Here is an easy test. Are your prayers answered supernaturally, and instantly? Again from 1 John 3:22
Jesus said that there was none greater than John the Baptist, but the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John. Seeing as John had the Holy Spirit, what was Jesus meaning?
Good point. The sin nature is not dead until Christ's blood takes it away.
Not sinless in the large title. But there are two types of sins. The one I'm talking about is the sin unto death - willful sins - sins you know are sins and do them anyway. Those a Christian, filled with the Spirit, just cannot do, anymore than I can be cruel to animals. It is just not in my nature. What will break your heart, you just won't do.
What you teach is that our longsuffering is salvation - quite the opposite of what the scripture says.
It assumes that He did not start a good work in us only to abandon it when we sin.
You are putting words in my mouth, which means you haven't a clue what I've been saying. Oh well. Your choice.
God KNOWS how weak we are. But that is the reason He gives us everything we need, through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Not only does that give us power, but knowledge of God's meaning, not what doctrines of demons says the word means.
When you realize just how weak you are, you won't want to stay that way. It is a loving God that takes you out of that weakness, and gives you all the strength you will ever need. It is a fact, but just like Romans 6, that states we are dead to sin - fact. We must also believe it. That it is truth. You must "reckon" yourself dead to sin. The mind is powerful. If you believe the rubbish that we will always be in the carnal flesh, have no hope of strength over sin in this lifetime as is commonly taught - you turn against everything that seems too good to be true, then Satan wins. Satan does not want you to realize the absolute power of God.
I agree with the things you have written above. I don't sin willfully. But to say I or any other Christian has no sin is not scriptural either. To say a Christian can never willfully sin, and if they do they are damned is not correct. The cross covers all sins. We have been called to liberty, but we are not to use that as an excuse to sin, rather serve one another in love.
Let me try to explain.
You are right that a person who know Christ will not willfully sin for the Holy Spirit dwells in them. But the Holy Spirit can not override the human will, if a person resists God's Spirit they can sin. God will forgive them, but often times they will not go unpunished, God will refine them through affliction, so that they learn not to sin. He will restore them, but they must again cease from sin. Where I fear your doctrine is wrong is you seem to feel that the cross only covers unintentional sin, however that is not true, the cross covers all sins, both intentional, and unintentional. However God is a refining fire, a person must be refined, to a degree. Yet it is not refinement that saves us but the cross. However a person who uses the cross wrongly will fall into judgment.
We will always be in the carnal flesh. But we have the option not to like it.
Let's say I'm pastor of a church.
I have these temptations due to a previous life and eventually I open a locked drawer melt up some heroin and shoot it into my veins. After a few hours of stupor I shoot up again. This time after my head clears, what I've done hits home and I ask God forgiveness.
My stand is that a Christian is always saved. Your stand is that I'm destined for hell up until the moment I ask for forgiveness for each sin that you identify for me. You say "Christians can't sin", and I say we continue to sin and the only difference is that we trust in God to get us through this life with all it's ups and downs.
But I don't expect you to change your mind this year. It may take time.
Hello again.
As we see in the Bible (and certainly in life too) there is nothing of God that Satan doesn't try to imitate. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is no different as we see on 1 Timothy 4:1.
So its not necessarily cause for celebration to find others with a similar story, rather, it's still a necessary exercise to test the spirits, not only in others but in one's self as well.
The Bible says exactly what the tests should be, and that's the problem I see in all of your posts. You can quote the Bible but you can't seem to put it into proper context.
Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you the test of spirits is if you can turn Him into an instant "whatever I want" machine of answered prayer.. God's own Apostles wouldn't pass that test, why? Because it's not a test for testing the Spirits.
To test the Spirits whether they are from/of God John gave us three tests 1 John 4:1-21 Confession/belief in the truth of Jesus, hearing/understanding His Apostles/Disciples, and love, deep and true for one another and of course God.
Those three things can seem to be mimicked but cannot ever be faked
We can only search our own hearts for the answer in ourselves, and of course pray God doesn't allow us to be led astray. Which if we recite the Lord's prayer, His model prayer for us, then we already pray daily that God not allow us to be led astray.
Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you the test of spirits is if you can turn Him into an instant "whatever I want" machine of answered prayer.. God's own Apostles wouldn't pass that test, why? Because it's not a test for testing the Spirits.
That is Reformation rubbish, the most dangerous sect of Christianity we have, full of white-washed grace. Their doctrines have even affected Spirit-filled churches.
Christians do not commit willful sin once sanctified.
LOL I never said answered prayer was a test for 'testing the spirits', but I didn't say what I meant, so you are quite right to assume anything you want. Let me explain more fully.
I am not Word of Faith, by the way. But I am a woman of faith. I believe much of what Word of Faith teaches, except on this one old issue, that I think most of them have corrected. (Name it and claim it.)
1 John 3:22 is true in that it comes out of a true relationship with God where we "abide" with Him. John is a great author on this subject, both in his gospel and his epistle. All together we can see this fully, especially if you use the right Greek word, for "Word." There are two words for our English "word." Logos - the whole word of God (the Bible), and Rhema - the spoken word we hear.
John 15:7 "If you abide in Me, and my Words/Rhemas abide in you, you shall ask what you want and it shall be given to you."
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice (through Rhemas), and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
1 John 3:22 "And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight."
John 14:15-17 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you."
1 John 5:14-15 "Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.
This tells us that through His Spirit in us, we keep Christ's commands, we love Him, and our relationship with him (abiding) allows us to hear His voice (Rhema). When you hear God's voice and He tells you what to pray, you KNOW it is God's will, and you REPEAT the prayer God just gave you out of the Rhema, it comes to pass immediately.
Therefore, to test yourself on whether you are a Christian, are your prayers answered as above? Can you actually hear God's voice?
I'm finished with this conversation with you and am ending my part in it here.
Once again, instead of the testing of Spirits laid out by John, your questioning my relationship with God/The Holy Spirit as an appeal to authority and it's not how to test the Spirit or determine by what authority I am under.
In the end, I have tried sharing scripture with you and my words summarily rejected so i will agree to disagree with you and move on..
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